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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 10 August 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 September 2024

Edward Mountain

I will flesh that out a bit. If the plan is to reduce heat in buildings and get every property up to a sufficient standard, whatever that standard is—it could be the energy performance certificate or whatever comes from that scheme—and you know that there are 10,000 houses that do not meet that standard and that the average cost of addressing that is £30,000 per house, you will work out exactly how much money you need to upgrade those houses. Having that set out in a plan would make for nice reading, but it would not make it possible to quantify or achieve that.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 September 2024

Edward Mountain

I worked out that it would take the Highland Council three quarters of its annual budget over the course of a couple of years to get its properties up to the required standard.

Claudia Cowie, do you want to add anything before I bring in Bob Doris?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 24 September 2024

Edward Mountain

Does the committee agree to take consideration of our draft stage 1 report on the bill in private at future meetings?

Members indicated agreement.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 September 2024

Edward Mountain

So straight-line reductions are not going to work.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 September 2024

Edward Mountain

We will get on to costings when we look at the financial memorandum, which I am sure will come up somewhere along the line. Monica Lennon has the next set of questions.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 September 2024

Edward Mountain

Cornilius Chikwama, I think that Monica Lennon would like to know—[Interruption.] I am sorry—that was very rude of me. I wonder—and I wonder whether Monica would like to know—if annual reporting for local councils presents a problem for you when it comes to a five-year target.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 September 2024

Edward Mountain

Yes.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 September 2024

Edward Mountain

Douglas Lumsden has a question.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 September 2024

Edward Mountain

I will ask the next question. I am going to try and drag you back to the actual bits in the bill that are important.

I think that we all accept that there are huge challenges to face; in fact, the committee wrote a report about the challenges facing local government in achieving the targets, which I am sure that you have read; Claudia Cowie is nodding politely. That report highlighted many of the problems.

I will ask about a specific problem. The majority of witnesses that we have had in front of the committee have said that the Scottish carbon budget periods should align with the UK ones. The bill says that they will not. Do you agree or disagree with that majority view that they should align?

I will go right the way along the table on this one.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 September 2024

Edward Mountain

Aberdeenshire seems to have huge representation here today. That is good. Thank you for those declarations.

I will start with two very easy questions, and I will work along the panel, starting with Alison Leslie and ending with Claudia Cowie, so you will need to be fleet of foot, Alison, in answering them. What are your views on the existing annual targets? Have they helped local government to reduce emissions? I would like your views on whether they work.