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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 10 August 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 September 2024

Edward Mountain

That was a very nice segue back to the subject area—well done.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 September 2024

Edward Mountain

The deputy convener wishes to come in.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 September 2024

Edward Mountain

Welcome back after that short break. We have just a few questions to go.

For those who have been waiting for Jackie Dunbar’s questions, they are next. Jackie—you are on.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 September 2024

Edward Mountain

Let me push you slightly on that point. Should we state, or try to state, in the legislation that the Government is introducing that the climate change plan must be fully costed, so that people know where they are going? Surely, setting out a management plan without knowing how much it will cost in pounds, shillings and pence ain’t gonna work, is it?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 September 2024

Edward Mountain

I am a great one, certainly in business, for setting out milestones that are achieved each year. We are setting out milestones for a five-year budget and the Government is proposing that there is annual reporting. The fact that there are no defined milestones suggests that it would be difficult for people to identify where we are at, apart from taking a subjective view on whether we would reach the five-year point.

What Cornilius Chikwama just said slightly worries me, in the sense that the report will not be published until two years after the five-year budget term has concluded. At the moment, it is set up so that it will come out at what I will rudely call the fag end of the parliamentary session, or not even that—it will be available only in the next parliamentary session, so we will not be able to hold the Government to account on it. Do you see there being problems with that under the bill?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 September 2024

Edward Mountain

I am sure that the Government was listening to Jamie Brogan’s proposal.

Douglas Lumsden has questions.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 September 2024

Edward Mountain

In response to your comment, it is fair to say that the committee did not get sight of the bill until 5 September, so we ran the consultation on the basis of a best estimate of what would be in it. I apologise that it appeared over the summer recess, but we could not do it any earlier.

Cornilius Chikwama, my next questions are for you. Are you happy that the financial memorandum is sufficient? Do you think that the subordinate legislation that will come up with the climate change plan must be properly costed and funded, instead of just saying, “Here are some things we’d like to achieve, but we have no money to do them”?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 September 2024

Edward Mountain

I can tell you that Alison Leslie twitched, but Claudia Cowie put her hand up, so I will go to Claudia first and then it is over to you, Alison.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 September 2024

Edward Mountain

I know that Jamie Brogan wants to come in, but I will bring in Mark Ruskell with a supplementary question first, and perhaps he will get a chance to bring Jamie in, too.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 September 2024

Edward Mountain

I am not sure that I got a specific answer there. I am trying to see whether having everyone moving together as one big team towards one big target—which aligning with the UK carbon budgets would do—is the right thing.