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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 13 December 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Sustainable Aviation Fuel Bill

Meeting date: 4 November 2025

Edward Mountain

I did.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Sustainable Aviation Fuel Bill

Meeting date: 4 November 2025

Edward Mountain

Welcome back. Our fourth item of business is consideration of two legislative consent memorandums on the UK Government’s Sustainable Aviation Fuel Bill, the first of which was laid on 25 July. We are also taking the opportunity to look more broadly at the prospects for sustainable aviation fuel production in Scotland and at its potential role in reducing greenhouse gases from aviation, which is an issue that is bound to arise when we consider the transport chapter of the next climate change plan later this year.

I welcome to the meeting Jim Fairlie, Minister for Agriculture and Connectivity; Chris Bryceland, team leader, critical energy infrastructure, Scottish Government; Kirsty Ryan, solicitor, Scottish Government; and Terry Shevlin, aviation strategy and sustainable aviation team leader, Transport Scotland.

Minister, I invite you to make a short opening statement.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Sustainable Aviation Fuel Bill

Meeting date: 4 November 2025

Edward Mountain

Thank you. I think that the Scottish Government is happy to support parts of the bill in the LCM because it believes that, by doing so, it will increase opportunities for the production of SAF in Scotland. What gives you that opinion? Where will that happen?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Sustainable Aviation Fuel Bill

Meeting date: 4 November 2025

Edward Mountain

I am looking around the room to make sure that I have not missed anyone else. It appears that I have not, so I will come to you with my question, minister.

What I think that I have heard over the past few evidence sessions on this matter is that electricity-powered planes will offer some short-haul flights—they will be useful for that—but that there is still quite a lot of work to do before hydrogen is a viable fuel. People have talked about aeroplane fleet upgrades, but, as I think that we heard in the previous meeting, that will take a minimum of 10 years. Fuel-consumption figures are being driven by the way that aeroplanes are flown, and we are talking about the introduction of SAF, which will make a difference. However, on what SAF will do, I think that, by your own admission, the evidence that we have heard today is that it will increase the price of travel but that that will be a commercial decision. Surely you are not saying that, to achieve the emissions targets that the Scottish Government will be looking for from the aviation sector, the only thing that we can rely on is for people in Scotland to fly less. Is that your policy, minister?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Sustainable Aviation Fuel Bill

Meeting date: 4 November 2025

Edward Mountain

Thank you. I think that the last question falls to me—

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Sustainable Aviation Fuel Bill

Meeting date: 4 November 2025

Edward Mountain

No, and I will not do it again.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 4 November 2025

Edward Mountain

With Monica Lennon now taking part, do we agree to take items 5 and 6 in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 4 November 2025

Edward Mountain

Gosh, that was a complicated start and we have not even got into the evidence.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 November 2025

Edward Mountain

Thank you.

I have one further question in this area. I always think that, when we as parliamentarians are asked to do something, it is because either there is a deficiency or there will be some big improvement. Now, section 40 of the Regulatory Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 provides a way of prosecuting individuals who cause severe environmental damage, but it has never ever been used. Why do we need something else, if we are not using what we already have?

You do not all have to answer that question, but who would like to go first? By the way, if you all look away at the same time, I will nominate somebody. Ross, you were the slowest, so you can start us off.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 November 2025

Edward Mountain

Before I leave this point, I have one more question for you, Campbell—and I apologise to any committee member if I am standing on their toes and asking a question that they wanted to ask. If the bill had been introduced 30 years ago, how many times do you think that it would have been used?