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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 16 October 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Edward Mountain

As you said, the committee has shown a willingness to consider the regulations at pace and to get that done as quickly as possible so that there will be no delay in the delivery of the climate change plan. I reiterate that what concerns me is the public consultation. The public may have very strong views on the draft plan—I hope that they do; I hope that they respond in numbers to show that they buy into what is suggested—and it might need to be adapted before it comes before the Parliament.

I have grave concerns about the timescale, which I have now put on the record. I see that Mark Ruskell wants to come in on that issue.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Edward Mountain

I did not say this at the beginning, so I will say it now. There are a huge number of questions to get through and, in the previous evidence session, committee members were extremely good at making their questions succinct. I am not saying that your answers have not been succinct, cabinet secretary, but I encourage everyone to keep to short questions and short answers.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Edward Mountain

Sorry, cabinet secretary, but is that letter published, or is it a private letter?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Edward Mountain

I agree that there is no point in pointing out problems and not bringing solutions. It is always a question of whether the solutions are workable, and that will be for others to decide. Are the problems in the letter the only ones that you see? Is everything else tickety-boo and online, as far as reserved matters are concerned? Is there nothing else to worry about with regard to Scotland reaching net zero by 2045? Is that what you are saying?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Edward Mountain

That is twice. We do not need to do it a third time.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Edward Mountain

Okay. We will have a short question from the deputy convener.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Edward Mountain

Mark Ruskell has some questions.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Edward Mountain

I am going to be the bad guy now. We have six questions and we are going to get through them. The deputy convener has the next batch. I will cut you short, cabinet secretary, if I think that you are overexpanding on your answers.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Edward Mountain

Rest assured that I, along with many other people, will be looking for the exact costings.

That brings our evidence session to a halt. I will briefly suspend the meeting until 12:25 before we go into the final item, which is a vote on the motion.

12:17 Meeting suspended.  

12:25 On resuming—  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Edward Mountain

I will say a little bit and I will then bring in the cabinet secretary. The evidence that we have heard has been particularly interesting. At the moment, I do not know in my mind—and as a parliamentarian, as the deputy convener said—whether we need to weaken or strengthen the commitments that the cabinet secretary will be making, because we have not seen the climate change plan that will be produced.

There is an issue in my mind about developing our understanding of what is achievable, which is not only about the commitment of individuals or of Government but is about the cost of that and how we will achieve it. I take the point on the importance of electrification, but during the process of hearing about it, especially today, I have found it very difficult to stomach simply saying that the cost of doing nothing is too high. To my mind, that is lazy and slightly rude to the individuals who are trying to question it.

With the way that the vote will go today, carbon budgets will probably go through. I may be proved wrong—[Interruption.] I will finish on this point. They will probably go through, but I want to register my dissatisfaction with the whole process of how that has come about. The committee should have been discussing the matter much earlier. I have always made it clear—people who have spoken to me will support me on this—that I do not like and have never liked the fact that we are doing this in the last months of the parliamentary session. It is far too important a matter for us to get it wrong. When it comes to the vote, I will abstain, not because I want to frustrate the budgets, but because I want to register my dissatisfaction at how the process has gone.

Cabinet secretary, I give you the opportunity to sum up if you wish.