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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 15 August 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Edward Mountain

There will be a division.

For

Lumsden, Douglas (North East Scotland) (Con)
Mountain, Edward (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
Ruskell, Mark (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green)

Against

Doris, Bob (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (SNP)
Dunbar, Jackie (Aberdeen Donside) (SNP)
Matheson, Michael (Falkirk West) (SNP)

Abstentions

Lennon, Monica (Central Scotland) (Lab)

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Edward Mountain

The result of the division is: For 3, Against 3, Abstentions 1.

We are in that situation in which I, as the convener, have the casting vote. In the past eight years for which I have been a convener, I have always made it abundantly clear that I will cast my vote in the way that I originally voted, and that is the way that I will use my vote now. The amendment goes through on my casting vote—it is as simple as that.

Amendment 5 agreed to.

Amendment 6 moved—[Mark Ruskell].

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Edward Mountain

I thank the cabinet secretary for engaging with committee members and with the parties. I believe that quite a lot of engagement has gone on, which, given the short timescale of the bill, has been helpful.

Turning specifically to amendments 3 and 9, I have always held the view, like the majority of witnesses who came to the committee, that alignment with the rest of the United Kingdom is in everyone’s interests. I still believe that—despite Mark Ruskell saying in the stage 1 debate and this morning that he does not agree—because, if Governments across the United Kingdom pull together and work together, that gives businesses the confidence to pull together and work together to gear up across the whole of the United Kingdom.

Gearing up together means that, when businesses produce technology, which we are definitely going to need if we are to reach our targets, we will be relying on technology that is proven rather than unproven—which could be the case if we tried to go at a faster speed than the rest of the United Kingdom. That is why I believe that alignment is important, and I always have done.

As there are no other comments, I will turn to the cabinet secretary.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Edward Mountain

The result of the division is: For 2, Against 5, Abstentions 0.

Amendment 2 disagreed to.

Amendment 3 moved—[Graham Simpson].

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Edward Mountain

The question is, that amendment 28 be agreed to. Are we agreed?

Members: No.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Edward Mountain

The question is, that amendment 29 be agreed to. Are we agreed?

Members: No.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Edward Mountain

I am being told to slow it down, so I shall do that.

Amendment 30 moved—[Monica Lennon].

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Edward Mountain

The question is, that amendment 30 be agreed to. Are we agreed?

Members: No.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Edward Mountain

Amendment 52, in the name of Monica Lennon, is grouped with amendments 5, 59, 54, 37 and 45.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Edward Mountain

There will be a division.

For

Doris, Bob (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (SNP)
Dunbar, Jackie (Aberdeen Donside) (SNP)
Lennon, Monica (Central Scotland) (Lab)
Lumsden, Douglas (North East Scotland) (Con)
Matheson, Michael (Falkirk West) (SNP)
Mountain, Edward (Highlands and Islands) (Con)

Abstentions

Ruskell, Mark (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green)