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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 15 August 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 November 2024

Edward Mountain

Before we go to a break, I have a question. I got the impression that £5,000 was considered to be a good starting point for a potential fine. What would happen if the plan was not produced three months later and there was no reason for it not to be? Do you think that there should be a graduated fine? Would that help the legislation to achieve what is intended? Would that make it clear to people that they cannot just deal with a £5,000 fine because it is cheaper than spending the £15,000 that would be required to produce a plan? I do not know; it is just a question.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 November 2024

Edward Mountain

I almost caught you nodding there, Gemma Cooper. Do you agree?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 November 2024

Edward Mountain

My next question was going to be whether only large landowners should be prevented from performing the role or whether all landowners should be prevented from doing so. Can you see why the definition of a large landowner has been used, or do you think that that approach is based on a perception? Should we simply look for the best person to do the job?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 November 2024

Edward Mountain

That brings us to the end of the session. As we will continue to look at land reform for some time yet, if you would like to follow up on anything that you have said, or if there is anything that you missed, you can get in touch with the committee clerks and let them know.

Thank you for attending this morning’s meeting. There was one member who might have been joining us, but they have not done so. That brings us to the end of the public part of the meeting, and we now move into private.

12:12 Meeting continued in private until 12:37.  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 19 November 2024

Edward Mountain

Mark Ruskell wants to come back in.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 19 November 2024

Edward Mountain

The second item is consideration of a draft statutory instrument. The Greenhouse Gas Emissions Trading Scheme (Amendment) (No 2) Order 2024 makes various changes to the United Kingdom emissions trading scheme. In its report, the Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee made no comment on the instrument.

I welcome Gillian Martin, the Acting Cabinet Secretary for Net Zero and Energy. I also welcome the Scottish Government officials who are joining us for this item: Mariana Cover, senior policy adviser; and Nanjika Nasiiro, head of just transition policy.

The instrument is laid under the affirmative procedure, which means that it cannot come into force unless the Parliament approves it. Following this evidence session, the committee will be invited to consider a motion to recommend that the instrument be approved. As always, I remind everyone that Scottish Government officials can talk under this item, but not in the debate that follows. I ask the cabinet secretary to make a short opening statement.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 19 November 2024

Edward Mountain

I listened with interest to that exchange about carbon taxes being used to fund net zero. It would be remiss of me not to say that ScotWind was to do that as well, but does not appear to have been used for that either.

You commented that very little venting is going on in Scotland. What are you talking about? Can you quantify what “very little” means? How many companies?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 19 November 2024

Edward Mountain

I am sorry to interrupt, cabinet secretary, but, just to help you, I will say that the committee’s papers stated that the ETS impact assessment, which is for the UK, estimated that the scheme would probably cost business £2.4 billion, and that assumes that the carbon capture, usage and storage scheme and hydrogen go ahead as planned. Have you made an assessment of what it will cost businesses in Scotland if those developments are not delivered as planned? I am sorry if I explained that badly.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 November 2024

Edward Mountain

You will be pleased to hear that we now come to the final questions, which are on the land and communities commissioner. It seems that he or she will be given a specific role—a role as distinct as that of the tenant farming commissioner—in the Land Commission. Is that a good idea?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 November 2024

Edward Mountain

Absolutely, but can I ask that it be slightly shorter? There was quite a lot of statement in the previous question, if I might be so bold as to say.