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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 14 August 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 19 November 2024

Edward Mountain

As there do not appear to be any further questions, we move to agenda item 3, which is the debate on motion S6M-14755. No, it is not—I am sorry. Yes, it is. I am sorry—I almost confused myself, but I was not confused. Agenda item 3 is the debate on motion S6M-14755, which calls on the committee to recommend approval of the draft order.

Cabinet secretary, I invite you to move and speak to the motion.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 19 November 2024

Edward Mountain

I see that no member wishes to make a contribution. On that basis, I am not entirely convinced that you will need to sum up, cabinet secretary, but, if you want to, I have to give you the opportunity.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 November 2024

Edward Mountain

Agenda item 4 is an evidence-taking session on the Land Reform (Scotland) Bill at stage 1. Today, the committee will hear from a panel representing landowners and land managers, with the focus on part 1 of the bill.

Malcolm Mathieson, convener of the Crofting Commission, was going to be here, too, but unfortunately he is unable to attend today, for very understandable reasons. We will try to work his attendance into another meeting.

I am pleased to welcome Sarah-Jane Laing, chief executive of Scottish Land & Estates; David Bean, Parliament and Government relations manager at the Countryside Alliance; and Gemma Cooper, head of policy at NFU Scotland.

As usual, I will declare my interests. I am a member of a family farming partnership in Moray, as set out in my entry in the register of members’ interests. I specifically declare an interest as owner of approximately 500 acres of farmland, of which about 50 acres is woodland. I am also a tenant of approximately 500 acres in Moray under a non-agricultural tenancy, which is an interesting permutation, and I have another farming tenancy under the Agricultural Holdings (Scotland) Act 1991. I sometimes take lets for grass on a short-term basis.

We have allowed just under two hours for this item, and we will move straight to questions. As convener, I will begin with some simple ones, which I will give all three of you a chance to answer. Is there a need for a further land reform bill? Will the bill improve transparency and strengthen the rights of communities? Does it reflect all the negotiations that took place before its introduction?

Who wants to kick off? I should say that if you all look away at the same time when I ask who wants to answer a question, I will pick the person who is the slowest to do so, so you will need to be really quick. [Laughter.] Sarah-Jane, as you did not look away, you will be first to go.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 November 2024

Edward Mountain

Just before we leave this subject, I note what Sarah-Jane Laing mentioned about crofting and the implications of the measures.

I am not clever enough to work out the legislation. If somebody wanted to decroft his or her croft, that would possibly count in the same way as a sale from an estate because a statutory sum would need to be paid. Similarly, an apportionment of common grazings, which we all know is just a dot on a map to represent somebody’s share, could trigger the section in question. When it comes to crofting—and it is sad that we do not have a crofting representative on the panel, although I hope that we will have one in the future—I am not sure whether a croft transfer from one member of the family to another would trigger that section. Do you have any views on that point or any concerns that those situations might trigger that section? Should we be looking at that?

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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 November 2024

Edward Mountain

I will bring in Gemma Cooper and then come to Kevin Stewart, who has a question. However, I should say that, if that question is about community engagement, the issue is going to be addressed later by another member.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 November 2024

Edward Mountain

Okay. It sort of links into the earlier question around how you can draw up a management plan for a crofting estate if you have no control of the crofting or what the crofters do, except to say, “I want it to be a crofting estate,” which is what will happen anyway. I am not sure. It is complex. Gemma, NFUS looks at some crofting issues. Do you have a view on that point?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 November 2024

Edward Mountain

Who would be responsible for the arbitration of community engagement? Would that sit with the Land Commission as a whole?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 November 2024

Edward Mountain

Thank you. I thought that I was going to ask that question, but there you go.

Monica, you have the next question.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 November 2024

Edward Mountain

Gemma, would you support the point about connectedness?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 November 2024

Edward Mountain

There could be upland farmers, for example, who are doing one thing on that land and then have different land that they move the cattle or sheep to, which might have a completely different management—