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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 13 February 2026
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Edward Mountain

Thank you. I am afraid that I disagree with you. Let me give you an example, if I may. A fairly large brewing company that owns land just south of Aviemore took millions of pounds from this Government to plant trees, which then all failed. There is no accountability, locally, in relation to those people, who made five people redundant when they took over the estate and created a bit of a desert in the process of managing the land. There was no process to feed in to that management plan.

I do not believe that it is where you live that matters; what matters is what you do with the land, which I think can be controlled by regulation rather than on the basis of ownership.

I am going to move on, but this is a great conversation that I would love to continue elsewhere.

I have huge concerns about environmental groups that own more than 500 hectares of land, because I do not think that such groups are paragons of good land management across Scotland. I can think of some groups that have taken millions of pounds to increase certain species, such as the capercaillie, and have overseen the decline of that species on the land. Just owning more than 500 acres does not make an environmental group a good land manager—it does not work that way.

With regard to the proposed provision on compulsory purchase, there was no definition of how a compulsory purchase would be done and whether it would be done under the compulsory purchase legislation. Further, how would the value of the land be assessed? Would that be based on the value of the public interest or would it be the open market value of the land? I think that there are various problems in relation to that.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Edward Mountain

Mercedes, I will always give way to you on subjects to do with land reform.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Edward Mountain

The question is, that amendment 310 be agreed to. Are we agreed?

Members: No.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Edward Mountain

Amendment 10, in the name of Tim Eagle, is grouped with amendments 390, 16, 311, 312, 17, 18, 391, 19, 313, 20, 21, 315, 314, 316, 392, 23, 317, 335, 337, 396, 33, 338 and 340. I remind members of the pre-emption and direct alternatives in this group, as set out on the groupings paper. I call Tim Eagle to move amendment 10 and speak to all the amendments in the group.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Edward Mountain

I will consider that amendment when we get to it, Mr Doris. I am speaking to Ariane Burgess’s amendments in this group, about which I have concerns.

Finally, on a point of clarification, I believe that 20 years is a reasonable figure when it comes to land management plans, because it is a long-term figure. However, if the committee is not minded to support that proposal, I would find it easier to support Rhoda Grant’s amendment on 10-year plans, instead of supporting plans of five years, which, in the scheme of land management, is virtually the blink of an eye.

On that note, I will end what I am saying. As no other committee member wants to say anything, I hand over to the cabinet secretary.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Edward Mountain

Just so that I understand, you are proposing that we stick with a five-year management plan cycle.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Edward Mountain

I will be very careful not to make this into a conversation, as I am sure that I will disallow conversations later in my role as convener, but can you clarify your thought process and what you think the duration of a plan should be? It is fine to say that you will come to it later, but do you think that it should be 10 or 20 years?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Edward Mountain

Welcome back.

Amendment 11, in the name of Michael Matheson, is grouped with amendments 11, 22, 34, 398 to 400, 35 to 38, 3, 39 to 41, 4, 401, 42, 402 to 404, 43 to 45, 343, 46 to 49, 49A, 49B, 405, 50, 406, 344, 104 to 106, 109 and 110. I remind members of the pre-emptions and direct alternatives in the group, as set out in the groupings. I call Michael Matheson to speak to and move amendment 11 and speak to other amendments in the group.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Edward Mountain

I thank the cabinet secretary for that. I will leave my comments there.

I invite Michael Matheson to wind up and to press or withdraw amendment 11.

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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Edward Mountain

Amendment 389, in the name of Tim Eagle, is grouped with amendments 397 and 341. I call Tim Eagle to move amendment 389 and speak to the other amendments in the group.