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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 11 November 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Edward Mountain

I agree. I promised that I would not get on to the issue of the Cairngorms, where £25 million was sucked up in the funicular railway repairs, but I have attended three public consultations and know that the consultations keep going on. It is a never-ending story. It is probably not the right thing, and it is expensive, so it would be helpful to the committee if you could quantify the cost.

Finlay Clark, do you have a view on how much a management plan for a 1,000-hectare estate would cost?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Edward Mountain

Rob Carlow, under the forestry scheme, how much would it cost to produce a management plan for a holding of about 1,000 hectares? Would it be 50p?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Edward Mountain

Tara Wight has indicated that she wants to come in.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Edward Mountain

I have one techy question—maybe it is too long since I was a surveyor. The Scottish Land Commission has proposed that

“Ministers have the ability to make a fair market value offer”.

That is not a definition that I ever used in my past work. Do you understand what “fair market” means? Is that the same as an open market, or are those two different things, Finlay Clark?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Edward Mountain

That is exactly the same. Is that laid down somewhere?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Edward Mountain

Rob Carlow, if you were out to buy some land for a woodland and you took on a management plan, which you were then forced to abide by, and you had to continue farming for another five years before you could plant your trees, because that was the duration of the plan, would that stop you investing in the land?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Edward Mountain

The next question comes from Bob Doris—sorry, Tara has her hand up. Both the deputy convener and I missed that, so we will let her come in briefly.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Edward Mountain

Thank you. I am sorry that I had to cut you all short. At times, it is very difficult sitting in this chair and cracking the whip, as it were, but I have to let other people in. Thank you very much for coming and giving evidence to the committee this morning.

We will have a brief pause and reconvene at 10.50.

10:38 Meeting suspended.  

10:47 On resuming—  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Edward Mountain

I remind members that we are short of time. I am keen to hear the answer to that question, but I must get Rhoda Grant in, because she has sat patiently throughout our discussion, so short answers would be very helpful.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Edward Mountain

Our second item of business is an evidence session on the Land Reform (Scotland) Bill. Today, we will hear from two panels of witnesses. I welcome to the meeting our first panel, which is made up of representatives of non-governmental organisations. David Fleetwood is the director of policy at the John Muir Trust; Sarah Madden is vice-convener of the land use and land reform group at Scottish Environment LINK; and Dr Tara Wight is Scotland policy and campaigns co-ordinator at the Landworkers’ Alliance. I do not know why it was difficult to get my tongue round that, but it proved to be difficult. Tara is appearing remotely. Finally, we have Max—I am not even going to get this out, although Max and I know each other well—Wiszniewski, who is the campaign manager for the Revive coalition. Thank you all for attending.

I also welcome Rhoda Grant MSP to the meeting. She will ask some questions at the end.

As I do at all such meetings, I declare my interest in a farming partnership in Moray, as is set out in my entry in the register of members’ interests. Specifically, I declare an interest as owner of approximately 500 acres of farmland, of which 50 acres are woodland, and as a tenant of approximately 500 acres in Moray under a non-agricultural tenancy. I have another farming tenancy under the Agricultural Holdings (Scotland) Act 1991, and I also declare that I sometimes take on annual grass lets.

I will start off with an easy question. David Fleetwood, what is the extent of the John Muir Trust’s holdings?