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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 11 November 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Edward Mountain

Okay. Given the fact that, based on the bill as it stands, the management plans are going to exist, whatever the size of the holding, somebody has to draw up that plan and bring it all together, including the community consultation. Sarah Madden, your organisation has been involved in that. If you include your volunteers’ time and all the other costs involved, how much will it cost to produce a management plan for a holding of, say, 1,000 hectares?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Edward Mountain

I understand that it might be formulaic and interpreted, but I am looking for actual time and costs. You are proposing to impose a cost on people and I am trying to understand whether you understand what that cost will be.

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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Edward Mountain

It would be useful to understand what you believe the cost of a management plan is.

David, you have done management plans. I think that some of them have worked and some have not: some have upset the community and some have not. How much do they cost to produce for 1,000 hectares?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Edward Mountain

No, sorry, I asked you a specific question and I am trying to get a specific answer. If you are not in a position to give me the answer, I am very happy to take a letter to the committee afterwards. From my point of view, I am trying to identify the costs of producing the plans. We have heard that it is £75,000 from, I think, Moray Estates, and a reasonable figure of £10,000 from somebody else. I am interested to know what you think those plans would cost, because I think that that burden is interesting.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Edward Mountain

With respect, I take the point that you have made. I have read the John Muir Trust accounts and seen where it is financially, so I understand some of the costs. I am just trying to identify them. Bob Doris, do you want to come in on that?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Edward Mountain

Thank you for that one reason.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Edward Mountain

Okay. Kevin Stewart has a question.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Edward Mountain

We have about 15 minutes of this session left. Time is always the enemy of the committee, so if we have short answers and short questions, I will be able to get in all the committee members who want to ask questions and not make enemies of them, too. I will just keep time as my enemy.

The next question comes from the deputy convener.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Edward Mountain

We are up against the clock, but I will bring in Rhoda Grant.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Edward Mountain

I am going to move on to more open ground and leave trees—which, thankfully, do not cover all of Scotland, yet.

On land management plans, I have a question for Sandra Holmes. Finlay Clark made the point that, sometimes, landowners might not have a controlling interest in the land that they manage—that is, there might be other interests, such as crofting or agricultural tenancies. Would it be appropriate for the land manager to draw up a land management plan if he or she could not affect the outcomes? I am thinking of HIE and its involvement in crofting estates. Although it might want to do something, crofting law still dictates what can and cannot be done.