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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 11 November 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Edward Mountain

Some people are talking about it. They feel that it should be part of the bill and that they should be compensated for something. It is a bit like buying a Mini and then handing it back and saying, “I had been hoping for a Rolls-Royce, so I’ll take the money for the Rolls-Royce rather than the money that I would have got for the Mini”. Is that not a fair analogy?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Edward Mountain

The difficulty is that, if all that is to be in secondary legislation, it is virtually impossible to see whether the figure is proportionate.

Bob Doris has some questions.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Edward Mountain

We have also heard that, if they have more than 1,000 hectares, some investors in land who are trying to reach their net zero targets—and to help the Government meet its targets—by planting more trees would, having planted their trees and set up forestry management plans, suddenly have to go through a whole lotting process every time they want to move on to invest elsewhere. We heard that that will positively discourage them. How do you answer that, cabinet secretary?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Edward Mountain

Those investors were already concerned when they heard that the figure was 1,000 hectares. It has been suggested that the figure will be brought down to 500 hectares. Would they not then be doubly concerned—and would that not concern you? It would be more difficult to justify the measure with small-scale schemes of 500 hectares than with big-scale schemes.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Edward Mountain

Before we leave the issue of lotting, I should say that, from having done quite a lot of lotting for the sale of land in the past, I know that you really need to know all the players in the area. I am concerned that the bill would allow—indeed, would force—the Government to buy the land if the owner could not get fair market value for it. You do not seem to have factored that in. I think that it would happen every time the Government dealt with the lotting procedure, because it would be judging any such situation on what it perceived to be the right reasons for lotting, while the owner of the land would be expecting a fair market value—which we have heard is, by definition, an open market price with a willing buyer and a willing seller. The Government would be—to use your own word, Keith—“interfering” with that. Cabinet secretary, are you expecting that every time a lotting decision comes before you—if the bill passes—you will end up paying a lot more money for the land?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Edward Mountain

I do not know whether I should say this, but we are coming up to halfway through our time and we are about a quarter of the way through our questions. I am just giving you an idea of timescales; it is up to members and the cabinet secretary to work out how they respond to that comment.

Douglas Lumsden will ask the next questions.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Edward Mountain

There seems to be a lot of interest, and we are just in the first part of the session. I am nervous about saying this so early on in the meeting, but short questions get short answers, I hope, although maybe the cabinet secretary is happy to be here at 5 o’clock this evening. Monica Lennon is next.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Edward Mountain

The cabinet secretary was just trying to ask Andrew Proudfoot to come in.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Edward Mountain

Having been involved in the sector for a while, I know that, every time that land reform comes along, it puts a check on the number of tenants who go into agricultural tenancies. That happened in 2003 and in 2014. I am concerned. Are you not concerned that the legislation is going to send the wrong message? Surely we need more tenants, and we need it to be easier for tenants to rent land knowing that they can be secure there, as well as for the person who lets the land to be secure in the knowledge that they are there under an agreement that they have made.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Edward Mountain

I will make some deer fences for you at that price, because I am not paying that.