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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 1 February 2026
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Biodiversity Beyond National Jurisdiction Bill

Meeting date: 9 December 2025

Edward Mountain

Cabinet secretary, come on—I am trying to understand. You are bringing this to the committee and I am trying to understand how the committee—or how I, as a committee member—can say that we agreed to the LCM, when you are not telling me anything about it. I am as much in the dark as I was at 5 o’clock this morning, when I was rereading the papers.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 December 2025

Edward Mountain

Michael Matheson has a supplementary question.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Biodiversity Beyond National Jurisdiction Bill

Meeting date: 9 December 2025

Edward Mountain

I wonder whether you can help me on a wider point, cabinet secretary, so that I can understand it. There are, I think, 193 UN member states plus two observers, so there is a total of 195. There are 75 signatures to the BBNJ agreement, which means that 38 per cent of UN members have signed up to it. We are, therefore, going to be putting in force an agreement that fewer than half of the member states of the UN have agreed to.

Can you explain to me how that is going to be enforced? It is not good enough just to say that Scotland will enforce it with the actors that it has. How are we going to do it on the high seas, or are the high seas just going to remain the high seas and anyone can do whatever they want? We do not seem to have full agreement to all of this. I just want to understand what policing is going to be done. What policing do you know—

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Biodiversity Beyond National Jurisdiction Bill

Meeting date: 9 December 2025

Edward Mountain

I am saying that, if you sign up to or consent to an agreement, you must know what Scotland’s obligations are. I am asking you whether you know what they are, and you are not saying anything at the moment.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 December 2025

Edward Mountain

We go back to Sarah Boyack.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Biodiversity Beyond National Jurisdiction Bill

Meeting date: 9 December 2025

Edward Mountain

I absolutely concur with that, but we are an armour of this Parliament, as a committee, and one of our jobs is to scrutinise the things that are put before us. It is difficult to do that if we do not have that information.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 December 2025

Edward Mountain

It was a point of clarification. That is good, because—

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Biodiversity Beyond National Jurisdiction Bill

Meeting date: 9 December 2025

Edward Mountain

Thank you, cabinet secretary. It is fair to say that, with LCMs, the committee keeps finding itself in the position of having to agree—or not agree—things without having the time to take evidence. The committee has written twice now to the UK Parliament about that. We wrote to the speaker only three weeks ago, I think, suggesting that, to respect devolution, we ought to be given more time and that the Parliament in Scotland should not be considered just as a rubber stamp, but should be able to actually take part in these things. There are genuinely lots of reasons why I feel uncomfortable about this, as I have done with other such bills. I think that sidelining the Scottish Parliament when we are sitting here, trying to do a job, is disrespectful.

I am glad to have got that off my chest and on the record, as it were. My question is this: what high seas activities intersect with devolved competences? Can you give me some practical examples of where there is going to be friction or where this is going to work in conjunction with what the Scottish Government does?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Biodiversity Beyond National Jurisdiction Bill

Meeting date: 9 December 2025

Edward Mountain

It is only illegal if you are signed up to the agreement. If you are not signed up to the agreement, you would not be doing anything illegal, and 62 per cent of the world is not signed up to the agreement. That is my problem.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 9 December 2025

Edward Mountain

Good morning, and welcome to the 37th meeting in 2025 of the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee. Our first item of business is a decision on taking items 6, 7, 8 and 9 in private. Item 6 is the consideration of today’s evidence on the Ecocide (Scotland) Bill. Item 7 is consideration of evidence on the legislative consent memorandum on the Biodiversity Beyond National Jurisdiction Bill. Item 8 is on our work programme. Item 9 relates to the contract of our adviser on climate change. Are we agreed to take all those items in private?

Members indicated agreement.