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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 10 November 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Environmental Standards Scotland (Annual Report and Accounts 2023-24 and Future Priorities)

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Edward Mountain

I do not think that that is the final question on this theme. Kevin Stewart wants to come in, too.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Edward Mountain

Agenda item 2 is consideration of a draft statutory instrument. The current regulations were laid on 27 February and concern regulation of various activities by the Scottish Environment Protection Agency. These regulations are very similar to regulations that were laid on 27 November last year, which were withdrawn on 9 December at the request of this committee to allow additional time for scrutiny. Again, I thank the Government for doing that; it has made for better scrutiny.

The clerk’s paper notes the evidence that we have heard on the matter. The Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee has made no formal recommendations on the regulations. It has noted that issues that it raised about previous regulations have been addressed in the new regulations.

I welcome to the meeting Gillian Martin, Acting Cabinet Secretary for Net Zero and Energy, and her supporting officials: Carolyn Boyd, solicitor, Scottish Government legal directorate; Gary Gray, senior policy adviser, Scottish Government environment and forestry directorate; and Phil Leeks, senior policy manager, Scottish Government environment and forestry directorate.

The instrument is laid under the affirmative procedure, which means that it cannot come into force until the Parliament approves it. Following this evidence session, the committee will be invited to consider a motion to recommend that the instrument be approved. I remind everyone that the Scottish Government officials can speak under this item but not in the debate that follows.

I invite the cabinet secretary to make a brief opening statement.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Edward Mountain

I just want to make it clear that a lot of us view what comes out of distilleries as non-waste. The draff is used for feeding cattle; therefore, it is food waste, as it is being used by other ruminants.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Edward Mountain

As that brings us to the end of our questions, we move to the next agenda item, which is a debate on motion S6M-16752. Cabinet secretary, I am sure that you will want to move the motion, but do you want to speak to it?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Edward Mountain

I thank the cabinet secretary and her officials, and I briefly suspend the meeting to allow a changeover of witnesses. We will start again at 10:30.

10:25 Meeting suspended.  

10:31 On resuming—  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Environmental Standards Scotland (Annual Report and Accounts 2023-24 and Future Priorities)

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Edward Mountain

Are you suggesting that that number might have to grow substantially?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Environmental Standards Scotland (Annual Report and Accounts 2023-24 and Future Priorities)

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Edward Mountain

In paragraph 8 of your letter, you talk about “the cost of ... interventions”. Everyone will have to cost every single thing that they do, and the Government will have to cost all its policies for delivering net zero by 2045. Do you think that that is realistic in this first plan?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Edward Mountain

Just to push a little more on the subject, one of the ways that sewage sludge used to be used was as fertiliser for trees and young grain crops. It was in the form of pellets and was applied that way. That seems to have fallen by the wayside. Is causing the trees to grow quicker using sewage sludge something that you will look at in the future to help us lock up carbon?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Edward Mountain

I have some follow-up questions. First, in case we come on to discuss farming matters, I remind members and the cabinet secretary of my entry in the register of members’ interests, in that I am a partner in a farm in Moray that covers about 500 acres. Therefore, I come into contact with SEPA on occasion—although not in any nasty way.

Going back to the deputy convener’s comment, I have received representations that the computer system will not be ready, and that the forms will not be easy to populate for either previous or new applicants. Given that SEPA has had problems with its computer systems in the past, do you recognise that that could be an issue again? Are you prepared for it?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Edward Mountain

That will be an interesting conversation when we next have SEPA in. Monica Lennon is the next person to ask questions.