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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 10 November 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Edward Mountain

That neatly brings us to the end of this witness session. I thank the witnesses for giving evidence and for travelling here on various modes of transport, from buses to trains—or, in Greig MacKay’s case, for participating remotely.

I suspend the meeting for five minutes to allow for a changeover of witnesses.

10:39 Meeting suspended.  

10:43 On resuming—  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Edward Mountain

Sue Webber wants to come in. Douglas’s approach was to ask multiple questions. I ask that you just put one.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Edward Mountain

Jackson Cullinane, do you want to come in? Sorry for cutting off Kevin Lindsay, who wants to come in on that question, but I promised to bring in Jackson. I have to keep my promises, but then I will come to you, Kevin.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Edward Mountain

I certainly heard about integrated ticketing in 2016. I think that Stewart Stevenson, who had been a transport minister, brought it up.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Edward Mountain

I understand, Kevin. We want a better railway. All that I am trying to say is that the performance targets that we have been given are not being reached. We seem to be spending more money on the railway but getting fewer services. That is what I am trying to equate it to. Gordon, do you want to comment?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Edward Mountain

I am using three.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Edward Mountain

I am trying to understand something before we leave this subject. We have fewer trains, but the public performance measure was at a lower level last year than it was when that was given as the reason for the nationalisation of ScotRail. So that I can square that loop, can you explain why, even with fewer trains, we still cannot get the public performance measure up to where it was before nationalisation?

Kevin Lindsay, you are smiling, so you must have the answer. Do you want to have a go at that?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Edward Mountain

We can go into that another time.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Edward Mountain

It seems odd that we allow it on the sleeper train from Inverness, which is run by ScotRail. I do not know why we allow it there and not on other trains.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Edward Mountain

You do, provided that it does not relate to a subject area that affects only your constituency.