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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 10 November 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Edward Mountain

Thank you. I now suspend the meeting to allow our first panel of witnesses to be seated.

09:21 Meeting suspended.  

09:23 On resuming—  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Edward Mountain

Welcome back. I also welcome Sue Webber, who is attending the meeting. You will get some questions at the end, Sue, if you want to come in.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Edward Mountain

I suppose that one consolation is that we do not have floating bus stops, where you can get run over by the bicycle that is coming between you and the bus stop as you cross the road to get there.

Robert, do you want to comment?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Edward Mountain

Islay Jackson, do you want to add anything? Are you a bus user?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Edward Mountain

Robert Samson, do you have any views on that?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Edward Mountain

I understand that, but the network support grant is to help rural areas and areas where the commercial bus services are perhaps not as able to cover their own costs. The grant is being reduced, which means that there are fewer buses in those areas.

Concessionary travel is going up in larger urban conurbations, where, because there are more bus services, more young people are using the buses, but the rural areas do not get the grant to make the buses available. It seems that we have gone completely over the top. Greig MacKay, do you want to comment on that?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Edward Mountain

I will delve into that a bit more. I seem to remember that, when I started in the Rural Economy and Connectivity Committee in 2016, we were looking at the concessionary bus travel scheme, which cost about £193 million. I think that we are progressing now to that being £405 million this year, which is a huge chunk of money. That has come at some expense, because the network support grant has reduced from £48 million a year to about £13 million a year.

People in areas where there are buses are able to access concessionary fares, whereas people in rural areas where there are fewer buses—or no buses—are less able to access concessionary fares because operators are not getting the network support grant. Do you think that we have got that right, Robert Samson?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Edward Mountain

Good morning, and welcome to the 14th meeting in 2025 of the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee.

Our first item of business is a decision on taking business in private. Does the committee agree to take in private item 4, which is consideration of the evidence that we will hear on Scotland’s train and bus services, and item 5, which is consideration of our approach to a legislative consent memorandum on the Planning and Infrastructure Bill?

Members indicated agreement.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Edward Mountain

I want to come back to Greig MacKay. The service works well for someone who is travelling between Edinburgh and Glasgow, but someone who is going to Edinburgh from Wick, for example, has to rely on their first bus meeting the next bus, and that bus meeting the next bus, which is the one that actually takes them to Edinburgh, all within a timescale that suits them. If we cannot make all the buses work together, the system will not work. It will work for people going from Edinburgh to Glasgow—that is simple—but do you agree that there is an issue on the more rural and exposed routes?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Edward Mountain

I will bring Kevin Stewart in briefly. Kevin, please direct your question to one person, because we would like to get to the other two witnesses.