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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 10 November 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Edward Mountain

You were getting only one question.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Edward Mountain

I welcome our second panel of witnesses: Stephen Smellie, member of Unison’s national executive council and Scottish committee, Unison Scotland; Jackson Cullinane, head of Unite Scotland’s politics and campaigns unit, Unite the union; Gordon Martin, RMT Scotland organiser, National Union of Rail, Maritime and Transport Workers; and Kevin Lindsay, district organiser, Associated Society of Locomotive Engineers and Firemen.

We move straight to questions, the first of which comes from Sarah Boyack.

10:45  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Edward Mountain

If somebody who gets concessionary travel misbehaves, do you think that their concession should be removed?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Edward Mountain

Gordon Martin, do you want to add to that, or has he said it all?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Edward Mountain

Good. We agree. Does anyone else want to come in on any of that?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Edward Mountain

Just to clarify, I get a concessionary travel on the train because I have a rail card. If I misbehave, should I also, as an older person, expect to lose that concession?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Edward Mountain

Kevin, I cut you off; you may come in now. [Interruption.] Just to clarify, I should have said at the beginning that the microphone is operated for you, so you do not need to press a button. It will happen automatically.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Edward Mountain

I accept that point, but the problem is that we have a Government that nationalised the railway in Scotland by taking it away from Abellio, on the basis that the PPM was not up to the required standard. The PPM is now at a lower standard than the one that Abellio achieved, and fewer trains are being run, so how can we use that to judge one operator but not the other? That is all that I am asking.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Edward Mountain

There are no more questions, so I thank the panel. Kevin, I hope that you have not given away all the answers prior to this afternoon’s press conference on your schemes. I just say with a smile that Dunbeath is one of the last stations where you actually wave to stop the train. There is a lot to do across all our railways.

Thank you very much for the evidence that you have given this morning. I move the committee into private session.

12:00 Meeting continued in private until 12:45.  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Edward Mountain

The second instrument for the committee to consider is SSI 2025/81. The Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee has made no comment on the order. Do any members have any comments on the order?

The Cabinet Secretary for Transport has confirmed that no business regulatory impact assessment is necessary, as the order has no financial effects on the Scottish Government or local government. I assume that that is because it is part of a bigger scheme rather than just the smaller scheme, but it would always be helpful to have information on that.

As no member wishes to comment, I invite the committee to agree that it does not wish to make any recommendations in relation to the instrument.

Members indicated agreement.