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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 10 November 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Edward Mountain

Before we go any further, Kevin Stewart, you asked the question that Mr Lumsden wanted to ask, so I will bring him in on hydrogen. We all need to be careful. We all want to ask questions all the time, but we cannot. Douglas, do you want to ask any questions on that issue?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Edward Mountain

Okay—fine. I do not want to hog the discussion, so we will move on to the next question, which comes from Mark Ruskell.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Edward Mountain

I accept that too, but my point is that it is costing Scotland £300 million a year more to run the railways than that cost under Abellio. It is costing more, the public performance measure target is further from being reached and fewer trains are running, so I am trying to understand why that is good for Scotland.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Edward Mountain

If you have any questions, we will bring you in at the end.

Item 3 is an evidence session on the state of Scotland’s rail and bus sectors. Today, we will hear from two panels. The first includes representatives from rail and bus passenger groups, and the second panel includes witnesses representing rail and bus sector staff. Next week, we will hear from bus and rail operators, companies and sector representatives.

I am pleased to welcome Greig MacKay, who is the Bus Users UK director for Scotland. Greig is joining us remotely. Islay Jackson MSYP is the deputy convener of the transport, environment and rural affairs committee of the Scottish Youth Parliament, and Robert Samson is senior engagement manager at Transport Focus.

We will move straight to questions. I will ask the first question, which is always a gentle warm-up for the panel. Do you perceive the continuing reduction in bus services as having any impact on passengers, especially those who are reliant on buses to access educational, work and social activities? Evidence from rural areas and areas where there are fewer buses would be useful.

Greig MacKay, will you start with that? We will check that the connection is working. I am told that a volunteer is as good as a pressed person, so off you go.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Edward Mountain

If you take £35 million out of the network support grant, it is not surprising that bus services in more rural and less commercial areas get cut—is that what you are saying?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Edward Mountain

Our second item of business is consideration of two Scottish statutory instruments. As both have been laid under the negative procedure, they will come into force unless the Parliament agrees to a motion to annul them, and no motions to annul have been lodged.

I will be seeking views on each instrument in turn. However, before I do so—and this was very rude of me—I should have acknowledged the fact that Monica Lennon has been unable to attend the meeting, and that Sarah Boyack is attending as her substitute.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Edward Mountain

The first instrument—SSI 2025/78—revokes and replaces identical regulations that we considered on 11 March. The new instrument has been made because of what the Government considers was an error in its handling of the consultation responses, which it has sought to correct.

The Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee has drawn the instrument to the Parliament’s attention, because it did not meet the requirement to be laid 28 days before coming into force. In this case, the instrument was laid on 18 March but partly came into force on 30 March. When an instrument breaches the 28-day rule, the Scottish Government is required to provide an explanation, which is provided in annex B to the clerk’s note.

Does any member wish to make any comments on the instrument? I find it odd that there were only three responses to the consultation and that one of them was totally ignored. It also seems odd that we are having to come back and do this again, which is, I think, not something that I have ever come across before.

Sarah, did you want to comment?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Edward Mountain

I think that most of us would join you in those thoughts.

Douglas, we have about eight minutes left for this session. Will you ask your two questions, so that I can bring in Sue Webber at the end if she wants to ask a question?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Edward Mountain

Before I bring Mark Ruskell back in with some further questions, I would like to know how we make bus travel more attractive for people—I am thinking of, say, the long trip from Inverness down to Edinburgh. Do you have a view on that, Islay? Surely it is not just about making sure that there is wi-fi. Do there not need to be other facilities, too? What are your views?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Edward Mountain

You get to put your question to Islay, who gets to give the final answer.