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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 29 July 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Edward Mountain

I am happy if you deal with—

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Edward Mountain

Welcome back to our meeting of the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee. This is our second panel on part 1 of the Land Reform (Scotland) Bill and it is made up of investors and/or investment experts. We have Rob Carlow, director of investment and operations, forestry, at Gresham House; Finlay Clark, head of energy and climate at Bidwells; and Sandra Holmes, head of community assets at Highlands and Islands Enterprise.

I remind members that I made a full declaration of interests at the start of the session, which remains extant. I also say for clarity that I have known Finlay Clark for some years because we worked together until 2006—I do not mean that, since then, we have worked against each other, but that we were in the same company until then.

I start with an easy question to Rob Carlow. For the record, could you clarify the scale and extent of the landholdings of Gresham House and its subsidiary companies—however that land is actually held, not just managed?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Edward Mountain

Okay. It is probably fair to say that it is more than 1,000 hectares.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Edward Mountain

Okay, that will be on the record, and it will be up to the committee members whether they want to take that forward.

Thank you very much for coming to give evidence this morning. We will now move into private session.

12:19 Meeting continued in private until 13:08.  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Edward Mountain

Is that a yes or a no?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Edward Mountain

Monica, do you want to follow up?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Edward Mountain

You will get a chance to do so, but I am just trying to clarify whether it is more than 1,000 hectares.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Edward Mountain

Is that the position in the majority of cases? I am sorry, but we have hedged around this for a fair while and I am looking for some clarity, in the same way that I drilled down into the matter when the John Muir Trust was here. It is fine to say, “We manage it, but it’s owned by the Gresham House number 2 account”, but that is not the openness and transparency that I am looking for, so I push you to be a bit clearer on that, please, Rob.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Edward Mountain

Is it 1 per cent—

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Edward Mountain

David, I am probably going to help you, having looked at your accounts for 2023, which suggest that the John Muir Trust owns 25,400 hectares of land, although some people say that it is significantly more.