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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 27 July 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Edward Mountain

Thank you for that one reason.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Edward Mountain

Okay. Kevin Stewart has a question.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Edward Mountain

We have about 15 minutes of this session left. Time is always the enemy of the committee, so if we have short answers and short questions, I will be able to get in all the committee members who want to ask questions and not make enemies of them, too. I will just keep time as my enemy.

The next question comes from the deputy convener.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Edward Mountain

We are up against the clock, but I will bring in Rhoda Grant.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Edward Mountain

I am going to move on to more open ground and leave trees—which, thankfully, do not cover all of Scotland, yet.

On land management plans, I have a question for Sandra Holmes. Finlay Clark made the point that, sometimes, landowners might not have a controlling interest in the land that they manage—that is, there might be other interests, such as crofting or agricultural tenancies. Would it be appropriate for the land manager to draw up a land management plan if he or she could not affect the outcomes? I am thinking of HIE and its involvement in crofting estates. Although it might want to do something, crofting law still dictates what can and cannot be done.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Edward Mountain

I understand that, but it is sometimes quite difficult to get the various parties to agree—the landowner is only a vehicle. One might think of the spaceport that is being developed in Caithness, and whether all the crofters agree with that. Drawing up a land management plan for that estate—I think that it is the Hope and Melness estate—might be quite difficult, because the crofters there do not agree.

My next question is on the Land Commission’s recommendation that the size threshold for having a land management plan be reduced from 3,000 to 1,000 hectares. Sandra and Finlay, do you agree with that? If we were talking about a 1,000-hectare mixed-ownership estate, including tenancies of some description, what would be the actual cost of producing that land management plan? Moray Estates has told us that it would cost £75,000—I think that that was in relation to the Tornagrain investment—while others have said that the cost would be somewhere between £5,000 and £10,000. It could be more. What do you think it would cost, Sandra, given that all HIE personnel who might be contracted to drawing up the plan would be paid in full for their time?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Edward Mountain

I hoped that that was what it meant, but I could not find it laid down definitively in any valuation manuals that I remembered from my days of being a surveyor, which are long gone.

I have a final, very straightforward, yes-or-no question that I have asked everyone who has come to give evidence on the bill. The cabinet secretary has said that the Land Reform (Scotland) Bill aims to deliver strengthened rights for local communities and greater involvement in decision making, development that takes account of local need, more diverse land ownership, environmental purposes and modernisation of the legal framework for tenant farming and small holdings.

As it stands, is the bill going to deliver that, Rob Carlow—yes or no?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Edward Mountain

I have not taken part in our discussion on riparian management but, because Sarah Madden has mentioned it, I point out that my entry in the register of members’ interests shows that I have an interest in a salmon fishery, which involves the carrying out of such activities.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Edward Mountain

I add that so that there is no dubiety.

Kevin Stewart wants to come in, after which I will go to Rhoda Grant.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 4 February 2025

Edward Mountain

Good morning, and welcome to the fifth meeting in 2025 of the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee.

Our first item of business is to decide whether to take items 3 and 4 in private. Item 3 is consideration of the evidence that we will hear today on the Land Reform (Scotland) Bill, and item 4 is consideration of a draft report on the Great British Energy Bill legislative consent memorandum and supplementary LCM. I am asking members also to agree that consideration of the report be taken in private at future meetings, if there need be any. To be clear, that is a contingency, and I hope that we will not need to have any more meetings and that we will be able to sign off the report today so that Parliament can consider the LCM on Thursday. Do members agree to take those items in private?

Members indicated agreement.