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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 10 November 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

United Kingdom Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 May 2025

Edward Mountain

Our next item of business is consideration of a type 1 consent notification relating to a proposed UK statutory instrument. The regulations in question would remove two persistent organic pollutants from the list of those to be eliminated, due to certain uses of those chemicals, relating to medical technology, having come to light.

On 22 April, the Acting Cabinet Secretary for Net Zero and Energy notified the committee of the proposed instrument, which involves the United Kingdom Government legislating within devolved competence. The UK Government is seeking the Scottish Government’s consent in that respect, and the committee’s role is to decide whether it agrees with the Scottish Government’s proposal to consent to the UK Government making the regulations within devolved competence and in the manner that the UK Government has indicated to the Scottish Government.?

If members are content for consent to be given, the committee will write to the Scottish Government accordingly. In writing to the Scottish Government, we have the option to draw various matters to the Government’s attention, and to pose questions or ask to be kept up to date on relevant developments. If the committee is not content with the proposal, we might make one of the two recommendations outlined in the clerk’s note.

Do members have any views on the regulations?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 13 May 2025

Edward Mountain

You are both so polite.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 13 May 2025

Edward Mountain

I think that I saw on the screen that Mark Symes put his hand up to come in, but it looks like Jan Rosenow is heading off.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 13 May 2025

Edward Mountain

Simon Gill, I should have thanked you at the outset for the paper that you provided on Friday. I had a note telling me to do so, and it was rude of me not to. I hope that you will accept my thanks now, in the good faith in which they would have been delivered at the beginning of the meeting, had I remembered.

We now come to Douglas Lumsden.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 13 May 2025

Edward Mountain

Thank you. Nigel Holmes, I want to understand your comment about the cost. I seem to remember reading that, to create hydrogen from electricity, you lose about 40 per cent of the power when transferring it to hydrogen and then a further 10 per cent when transferring it back to electricity. Are those figures correct? That is the first question. The second question is, if you are using hydrogen to get the same effect as electricity, how much more are you paying for hydrogen than you would be for electricity?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 13 May 2025

Edward Mountain

It kind of answers the question, but once the electricity is put into the national grid, there will be a national pricing structure for it, even if it goes to an electrolyser. There is something that I am trying to work out. If it will cost, say, £1 to achieve X with electricity, how much will it cost to achieve X with hydrogen? What is the difference? How much more will have to be paid for hydrogen? I am told that more will have to be paid for hydrogen than for electricity.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 13 May 2025

Edward Mountain

I understand that it will be the same amount of energy, but I am a simple soul and I am trying to understand. You said that hydrogen is more slippery. If it is more slippery, that suggests to me that it moves at a quicker pace.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 13 May 2025

Edward Mountain

I have a question on that specific point. It is my understanding that, compared with natural gas, it is possible to move a lot more hydrogen in a smaller pipe. Is that right?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 13 May 2025

Edward Mountain

Welcome back. We will now hear from our second panel of witnesses on the hydrogen aspects of the project willow study. Joining us in the room is Dr Simon Gill, independent energy consultant and author of “Green hydrogen in Scotland: A report for Scottish Futures Trust”. Appearing remotely are Dr Jan Rosenow, energy programme leader and Jackson senior research fellow at Oriel College, University of Oxford, and Professor Mark Symes, professor of electrochemistry and electrochemical technology at the school of chemistry, University of Glasgow. I welcome you all. Somewhat bizarrely, Simon, the fact that our online witness appear on a screen below you, which is facing me, makes it look as though you are flanked by them.

If you were listening to the first part of the meeting, you will have heard me say to the first panel of witnesses that my first question is the easy one. Project willow did not advocate for the use of either green or blue hydrogen but said only that a “reliable source” of low-carbon hydrogen will be required. Which source do you think is most likely to offer Scotland a reliable and affordable supply of hydrogen? I put that question to Mark first, before coming to Simon Gill and Jan Rosenow.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 13 May 2025

Edward Mountain

I am looking at those online now. Does anyone want to come back on that before I move to Kevin Stewart?