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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 12 February 2026
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 January 2026

Edward Mountain

Our decision on the instrument has to be made by 10 February, so we could do that next week. I have made the offer, cabinet secretary, and you have made your decision. That is fine.

Motion moved,

That the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee recommends that the Greenhouse Gas Emissions Trading Scheme (Amendment) Order 2026 [draft] be approved.—[Gillian Martin]

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 27 January 2026

Edward Mountain

Matthew, is it a good plan or a great plan? What is missing?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 27 January 2026

Edward Mountain

That a 20-year payback period might be acceptable for you—he says, tongue in cheek—but I fear that I will be long gone by then. I might be a pessimist, but I am going on the statistics for life expectancy.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 27 January 2026

Edward Mountain

Well, it will come as a surprise to you, Gemma.

This question is for all the witnesses. Let us go to page 51 of annex 3 of the climate change plan, which is the summary of the costs and benefits under the plan. In it, the Government says that there are

“no … costs to government from energy supply policies”.

It will all be driven by the market, but “significant investment” will be needed. It says that there will be no benefits and no cost to Scotland from what will happen on energy supply—it is the only section of the plan in which that is the case, I think.

Based on what Matthew Hannon said, one of my concerns is that, for people to buy into the plan, they need to understand what it will cost them. As householders, Claire, what will it cost us if we buy into the plan? There are no costs and no benefits to the Government. Some of the benefits that the Government has given in other sections include benefits to the national health service from reduced treatment and so on, but, apparently, there are not even any of those benefits in this section. What are the costs?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 27 January 2026

Edward Mountain

Gemma Grimes, you get a chance to speak now—not to agree with the point that Michael Matheson made that it might be good news that I will not be around in 20 years, but on the costs.

10:00

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 27 January 2026

Edward Mountain

Okay. I have no idea about the costs of solar—I am sure that we will find out about them shortly.

Sarah, do you want to ask a brief question before I move to Kevin Stewart?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 27 January 2026

Edward Mountain

Kevin, I think that you have some questions that you would like to ask.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 27 January 2026

Edward Mountain

We are only at the end of question 2 and there are 20 questions. We are about 40 minutes into the session, so it could be a long one. I hate cutting people off and I hate telling them that time is short. I am not going to cut him off, but I will tell him that time is short. Mark Ruskell, the next questions lie with you.

10:30

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 27 January 2026

Edward Mountain

Perfect.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 27 January 2026

Edward Mountain

I have a specific question for Claire Mack about a comment that she made. Everyone probably agrees that, if we are to get the public to sign up to the plan, they need to be invested in it, and we need to move at pace, as Matthew Hannon said, because there is no time to spare.

We talked briefly about the ECU. In previous days, you were able to submit an objection to the ECU by email, but the information was never published because there was never time to publish it, so members of the public never knew whether their views had been taken into account. We now have an online portal, and I am never quite sure whether the information on it will be published. The timescales for objecting to consents are particularly short, which affects people who want to object, because they might not have time to look at the massive documents that are submitted in support of some projects. Do you reckon that that is fair for the people who have to put up with the infrastructure?