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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 1 April 2026
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Edward Mountain

Ellie Murtagh, do you want to come in? You sort of nodded; it is dangerous to nod if you do not want to come in. No one else wants to come in, Mark.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Edward Mountain

Mark Ruskell wants to come in with a supplementary, but I want to push a little bit on this. We seem to be pushing quite hard to develop wind farms on the very peatlands that we are trying to protect. We are shoving tonnes and tonnes of concrete into the peatlands, which destroys their attributes as sponges, and there is faster runoff along the tracks that are created to the wind farms. That is then supplemented by steel pylon lines that go across the Highlands, and battery storage plants that are reliant on minerals being mined in fairly dubious areas of the world. My question to you, Fabrice, is simple. When we are doing that, are we balancing the benefits with the cost to the environment? It seems to many people that we are not.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Edward Mountain

I understand the difficulty, but you cannot come to someone with suggestions without giving them an idea of the actual cost. You cannot tell them the cost of not doing something without also telling them the cost of doing it.

Ellie Murtagh, do you have any idea what it will cost?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Edward Mountain

I notice nods of agreement. Do any of the witnesses wish to contribute before I go to Bob Doris for the next set of questions?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Edward Mountain

Mark Ruskell, you get the final, final question.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Edward Mountain

I am a great believer in scrutiny by parliamentary committees and in our being given the time to do that—it would be odd if a convener did not say that. Following the 120 days of public consultation, the Parliament must listen to the public and respond to what it has said. My concern is that, once those responses have been collated in a document, the committee will have little time to fully consider them prior to the climate change plan going in front of the Parliament.

I would be very happy if you were able to say to me, “Don’t worry, Edward—it’s all going to plan, it will all work, and there won’t be an unseemly rush at the end of the session before the Parliament breaks up.” That is what I am trying to get you to say. That would give me some confidence, which I do not have at the moment.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Edward Mountain

To save you going through the whole list, could you clarify whether the letter lists all the things that are reserved that you think will prevent you from reaching your net zero target by 2045?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Edward Mountain

Trust me—we will say that anyway.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Edward Mountain

Mark, I was not sure whether you wanted to ask a follow-up on this one.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Edward Mountain

Douglas Lumsden has a question.