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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 9 September 2025
Edward Mountain
I know that you will. I am asking you if you recognise that figure.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 9 September 2025
Edward Mountain
If the figure was £750 million per annum, it would mean that, by 2045, achieving the carbon budgets would cost the Scottish Government £18,750,000,000. Philip Raines, you are looking confused— I have done the maths. That is a huge amount of money, but no price has been put on what it will cost the people of Scotland beyond the cost to the Scottish Government—in other words, on what level of private investment will be required. Budgets are about setting income and expenditure. The income that you are trying to achieve in the budgets is a reduction in carbon, but we have not had the expenditure figures. Will we get any such figures before the committee considers the climate change plan, or will they only be laid out in the plan itself?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 9 September 2025
Edward Mountain
The result of the division is: For 3, Against 0, Abstentions 4.
Motion agreed to,
That the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee recommends that the Climate Change (Scotland) Act 2009 (Scottish Carbon Budgets) Amendment Regulations 2025 [draft] be approved.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 9 September 2025
Edward Mountain
That concludes our business for today. Next week, there will be a discussion of the paper on carbon budgets—[Interruption.] We are not quite finished yet, Mr Stewart.
That discussion will follow from the report, which we will sign off early next week. There will also be consideration of the petition on air quality, and a supplementary legislative consent memorandum on the Planning and Infrastructure Bill will be added to the agenda.
On Friday next week, the committee will visit Port Glasgow and the Hunterston Port and Resource Centre.
Meeting closed at 12:45.Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 9 September 2025
Edward Mountain
My problem is that I do not see the budgets being done and the facts and figures being laid out. We have no centralised energy plan across Scotland. There is no strength, weaknesses, opportunities and threats analysis carried out for each and every wind farm. They just appear to go up with no budget.
I think that I see you nodding, Fabrice. I will take it as a nod and move on to Mark Ruskell, although I am happy if you want to come back in on that.
Okay, Mark—over to you.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 9 September 2025
Edward Mountain
I have been listening to what has been said and am interested in the costs. Ellie Murtagh suggested there is a need for faster action on domestic consumption, housing and travel, and Gabi Hegerl said that we must act faster if we are to stay below a 2° increase. Andrew Russell said that we must act now to prevent chronic problems from developing later, and Fabrice Renaud suggested making everything more self-sufficient. We have heard lots of suggestions and ideas.
Kevin Stewart suggested that we must make the changes more appealing to individuals and that they must be able to understand them, which I totally agree with; however, for people to understand the appeal, they have to understand how much it will cost. You do not plan for a boiler repair or replacement; when it happens, you have to do it pretty quickly because you need hot water.
You, as scientists and experts, have come up with all those plans. You must have worked out how much it will cost per household to deliver what you want to deliver or, if not, you must at least have a good idea of what it will cost, otherwise you will not be able to enthuse people. Do I have that totally wrong? Do you have an idea of what it will cost people in Scotland to get to net zero by 2045? The Government has an idea, but how much will it actually cost people?
I put that to you, Andrew Russell, because you did not look away quickly enough.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 9 September 2025
Edward Mountain
I am going to move on to Sarah Boyack, but I will say that last week, we heard the argument that a lot of people, including me, will be long gone by the time we have recouped our investment. I am investing for a future that I will not be here to see, but there is nothing wrong with that.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 9 September 2025
Edward Mountain
That sounds like an advertisement. On that note, I move to Bob Doris for his questions.
10:00Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 9 September 2025
Edward Mountain
No, I am not going to blame deer for everything again.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 9 September 2025
Edward Mountain
The Climate Change Committee made it clear that a huge amount needs to be done, some of which is devolved and some of which is reserved. How are you getting on with the UK Government to resolve the conflict that there might be between reserved and devolved matters?