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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 18 July 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Edward Mountain

That has gone on slightly longer than I anticipated. Thank you for your evidence and for helping us this morning. I will briefly suspend the meeting to allow a change of witnesses. Committee members, please be back in your seats for 11 o’clock. Thank you.

10:55 Meeting suspended.  

11:01 On resuming—  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Edward Mountain

Welcome back. On our second panel we have Joanne Maguire, managing director, ScotRail Trains Ltd; Liam Sumpter, managing director, Network Rail Scotland, representing Scotland’s Railway; Graham Kelly, commercial and procurement director, Caledonian Sleeper Ltd; and Martin Bignell, Scotland and north of England representative of the Rail Freight Group. We will move straight into questions and I get the easy one to warm you all up before the difficult ones that the committee has for you.

I will make a comment. There has not been a significant improvement in ScotRail’s or Caledonian Sleeper’s performance since they were nationalised, despite ScotRail running fewer services. We are now at the point at which the public performance measure that caused Abellio and Serco to be replaced is not being met by the current operators. Can somebody explain that to me? Joanne, do you want to start on why you are doing worse than Abellio and are running fewer trains?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Edward Mountain

Pick your two people to ask, Michael.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Edward Mountain

I am sure that, if you ask Aberdeen City Council about that, it will, in the spirit of openness, tell you.

Kevin Stewart has the next question on this topic.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Edward Mountain

Oh, sorry. Yes—it was in the budget the year before, so it is two years now that it has been out.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Edward Mountain

I understand that.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Edward Mountain

I think that what you are saying is that it will have resulted in more lorries on the road carrying freight and that it would have reduced the amount of freight on trains.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Edward Mountain

Linked to that question—I did not know that that was going to be the question—Bob Doris has a question specifically on a type of decarbonisation. Could you just throw that into the mix as well?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Edward Mountain

That is another dimension to add to it. Kevin, do you want to ask a supplementary question?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Edward Mountain

Okay. I just like to see everything running at full capacity rather than not running at full capacity and that includes the trains because it means that I—and everyone else—meet fewer lorries on the road.