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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 July 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 13 May 2025

Edward Mountain

Sarah Boyack has a final question is for one panel member. Nigel Holmes has had quite a run, so go for whoever you like.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 13 May 2025

Edward Mountain

Will price—the price of hydrogen compared with the price of electricity—limit development?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 13 May 2025

Edward Mountain

With the exception of Mark Symes, who wants to move to green hydrogen straight away because he thinks—I realise that I am putting words in his mouth—that that will be better, I think that you are all saying that, realistically, we will need to use a bit of blue hydrogen to start with, and that we will move towards green hydrogen by 2045, which I think is our target. For how long will we need to have a mix before we move over totally to green hydrogen? I am not clear about that. Are we talking about five years or 10 years? What timeframe are we looking at?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 13 May 2025

Edward Mountain

Simon, blue or green?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

United Kingdom Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 May 2025

Edward Mountain

Item 4 is consideration of another type 1 consent notification relating to a proposed UK statutory instrument. The regulations in question would make two key changes to existing provision on extended producer responsibility for waste electrical and electronic equipment. First, they would extend the term “producer” to include online marketplaces, and secondly, they would create a new category of equipment for vapes and electronic cigarettes to ensure that producers are responsible for the waste disposal costs.

On 22 April, the Acting Cabinet Secretary for Net Zero and Energy notified the committee of the proposed UK SI. As with the previous instrument, the key issue is whether we agree with the Scottish Government that the UK Government should legislate in this devolved area in this way. If we are content for consent to be given, the committee will write to the Scottish Government accordingly. We have the option to pose questions or to take up any issues with regard to the date and relevant developments.

If members do not have any views on the matter, we will move to the substantive question. Is the committee content that the provisions set out in the notification should be made in the proposed UK statutory instrument?

Members indicated agreement.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

United Kingdom Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 May 2025

Edward Mountain

Our next item of business is consideration of a type 1 consent notification relating to a proposed UK statutory instrument. The regulations in question would remove two persistent organic pollutants from the list of those to be eliminated, due to certain uses of those chemicals, relating to medical technology, having come to light.

On 22 April, the Acting Cabinet Secretary for Net Zero and Energy notified the committee of the proposed instrument, which involves the United Kingdom Government legislating within devolved competence. The UK Government is seeking the Scottish Government’s consent in that respect, and the committee’s role is to decide whether it agrees with the Scottish Government’s proposal to consent to the UK Government making the regulations within devolved competence and in the manner that the UK Government has indicated to the Scottish Government.?

If members are content for consent to be given, the committee will write to the Scottish Government accordingly. In writing to the Scottish Government, we have the option to draw various matters to the Government’s attention, and to pose questions or ask to be kept up to date on relevant developments. If the committee is not content with the proposal, we might make one of the two recommendations outlined in the clerk’s note.

Do members have any views on the regulations?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 13 May 2025

Edward Mountain

You are both so polite.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 13 May 2025

Edward Mountain

I think that I saw on the screen that Mark Symes put his hand up to come in, but it looks like Jan Rosenow is heading off.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 13 May 2025

Edward Mountain

Simon Gill, I should have thanked you at the outset for the paper that you provided on Friday. I had a note telling me to do so, and it was rude of me not to. I hope that you will accept my thanks now, in the good faith in which they would have been delivered at the beginning of the meeting, had I remembered.

We now come to Douglas Lumsden.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 13 May 2025

Edward Mountain

Thank you. Nigel Holmes, I want to understand your comment about the cost. I seem to remember reading that, to create hydrogen from electricity, you lose about 40 per cent of the power when transferring it to hydrogen and then a further 10 per cent when transferring it back to electricity. Are those figures correct? That is the first question. The second question is, if you are using hydrogen to get the same effect as electricity, how much more are you paying for hydrogen than you would be for electricity?