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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 7 October 2025
Edward Mountain
Our second item of business is an evidence session with the Scottish Government on its transport policies and performance. This is an opportunity for the committee to pick up on the themes that the committee has discussed with bus, train and ferry stakeholders in meetings earlier this year and on visits. There are also other issues within the cabinet secretary’s wide-ranging remit that we may wish to discuss this morning. Those include the decarbonisation of the sector, which is an issue that the committee will return to later this year when it takes evidence on the transport chapter of the forthcoming climate change plan.
I welcome Fiona Hyslop, the Cabinet Secretary for Transport. From Transport Scotland, we have Fiona Brown, director of transport strategy and analysis; Chris Wilcock, director of ferries and ports, and Bill Reeve; director of rail reform. Thank you all for attending.
I invite the cabinet secretary to make some short opening remarks. I try that every time and, one day, I will get my wish.
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 2 October 2025
Edward Mountain
Okay. Thank you very much, convener.
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 2 October 2025
Edward Mountain
Having raised that point, I think that it is important to pursue it. A bit of research that I have done suggests that sums of up to £20,000 in relation to admin appointments could be paid on top of a councillor’s salary. It is difficult, because there are exceptions, and I know that the minister has alluded to that. Additional pay and grading might be disallowed in some council areas but encouraged in other areas. I encourage monitoring of that to make sure, and I ask for a clear comment that it would not be expected that people who are getting that additional money would take it on top of their salary. I would be grateful if the minister could say that that is his understanding—unless perhaps it is not.
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 2 October 2025
Edward Mountain
My question is more on the mechanics of it, convener. I do not know the answer to this, but, if someone is an MP and then gets elected as an MSP, I presume that they will go straight on to being able to employ staff as an MSP, who might also be the staff they are employing as an MP. Have you considered that? Will guidance on that be issued between the two Parliaments? There could be a period in which the MSP and MP are employing the same staff. You are solving one issue, minister, but have you thought about solving the other? Or does it not happen? I do not know the answer to that, but I am sure that you will have looked at it.
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 2 October 2025
Edward Mountain
IPSA is confident, and you are confident.
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 2 October 2025
Edward Mountain
I believe that, in some councils, people in senior administration roles or roles with additional responsibilities receive allowances on top of their council salary. Therefore, why have you deducted only the basic rate, given that they could be getting the basic rate-plus?
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 2 October 2025
Edward Mountain
From that point of view, it is the easier route. I can understand that, because it is easy to administer. However, minister, is it possible to put on the record the fact that, if somebody was getting additional pay on top of their councillor pay, you would not expect them to draw it, because it would make them better off than an MSP or just a normal councillor who had become a member of the Parliament?
09:45Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 2 October 2025
Edward Mountain
I have probably explored that matter as far as I can. However, I would just comment that the way that the salaries have been dealt with—deducted at source—is a much more comfortable position than allowing people to choose charities. Sometimes, that can be difficult to administer, and the individual might have links with those charities, which could create problems. Therefore, deducting the salary at source is the right way to do it and a huge step in the right direction.
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 2 October 2025
Edward Mountain
I am delighted that these regulations are being brought forward. I remember that it was an issue that we wrestled with many years ago, when I was a member of this committee, and I think that this is the right move.
With regard to how you have sorted out the finance, why did you decide that the split would be that the council salary would still be paid by, presumably, the council and that only the adjusted MSP salary would be be paid by the Parliament? Surely the councils are the ones that are short of money and the one that could bear the cost is the Scottish Parliament.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 30 September 2025
Edward Mountain
I am glad to report that you are. We can hear you loud and clear.