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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 16 July 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Edward Mountain

Douglas, can I make the suggestion? That might be outwith the technical competence of the panel of witnesses, which I am sure is very varied. We ought to write to SGN and find out how easy it would be to transport hydrogen. Would it use steel pipelines like the one that runs from Aberdeen to Inverness—I know about that because it comes through the farm—or would it use plastic ones?

We should ask it that, because it is clear that, if we move to hydrogen, we will have to transport it. It would be useful to know how easy it would be to do that. Are you happy with that?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Edward Mountain

I do not know why I got that wrong—Statera Energy Ltd. I also welcome: Bill Ireland, the chief executive officer for Logan Energy Ltd; Mark Bradley, the hydrogen director in Scottish Power; David Amos, the managing director of PlusZero; and Tim Dumenil, the head of business development for Storegga, who is attending remotely.

At the outset, I refer members to my register of interests, which declares that I am a proprietor of salmon fishings on the River Spey and am a member of the Spey Fishery Board. The board, which is a statutory body, has recently considered a planning application for a hydrogen plant at Marypark, which was submitted by Storegga. As the plant would take water out of the River Spey, the board had to consider the options and its responsibilities regarding protecting the fisheries management of the catchment, and, on that basis, has objected to the application on the ground that it would take water out of the river, which the board feels is inappropriate. I hope that that is a full declaration.

I am going to go straight to questions. The first question is always an easy one—I like to think so, anyway—as it involves asking witnesses for their views on how things are working at the moment. You will each get a chance to answer it, starting with Bill Ireland—I am giving you plenty of warning that I am coming to you.

Project willow does not advocate the use of green or blue hydrogen, and the UK and Scottish Governments have said that it needs a twin-track approach. Do you think that that approach is correct or do you think that more attention should be paid to green or blue hydrogen?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Edward Mountain

I think that Douglas Lumsden has the next questions.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Edward Mountain

Sorry—do you want to come in, Mark?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Edward Mountain

It is probably fair to say that people find it particularly difficult to stomach when, if there is too much electricity so power cannot be generated, constraint payments are given to people with wind farms. That power could perhaps be diverted not to massive battery storage sites but to hydrogen sites or wherever we wanted it to go.

Tim Dumenil wants to come in.

09:45  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Edward Mountain

The deputy convener wants in with a follow-up question.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Edward Mountain

I will be tight. To reiterate what the deputy convener said, he is asking for one option per panel member, and that is not one long list.

Why do we not start with Bill Ireland and work our way along?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Edward Mountain

We will now hear from our second panel of witnesses on hydrogen aspects of the project willow study, with a focus on Grangemouth and its potential role in relation to blue hydrogen and the use of carbon capture and storage technology to decarbonise the industry.

I welcome to the meeting Professor Stuart Haszeldine, who is professor of carbon capture and storage in the University of Edinburgh’s school of geosciences—Stuart, thank you for submitting written evidence to us—Nic Braley, who is general manager of the Acorn project; Professor Hannah Chalmers, who is personal chair of sustainable energy systems in the institute for energy systems, which is part of the University of Edinburgh’s school of engineering; and Professor Mercedes Maroto-Valer, who is director of the Industrial Decarbonisation Research and Innovation Centre at Heriot-Watt University. Those are some of the longest descriptions that I have had to read out.

There are four of you on the panel. If you keep your answers short, each of you will get in. If your answers are too long, you will exclude your fellow panel members. Please bear that in mind. The first question is from Sarah Boyack.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Edward Mountain

You are all very polite, which I love. Mercedes, if you comment first, I will then bring in Hannah.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Edward Mountain

Stuart, do you want to comment on sorting out the problems that are before us?