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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 4 November 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Douglas Ross

That is encouraging because, across the committee, we had been quite concerned about that.

There was indication that a commitment had been made by your officials on 9 December 2024 to keep up the engagement with unions. I understand that there were staff absences, but the Government is a large organisation and people would normally pick up the slack. Given that, as Mr FitzPatrick said, it got to the extent that five unions were coming to us, speaking with one voice about their concerns about the lack of engagement with you and your officials, why was the engagement not maintained by other members of your team?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Douglas Ross

I am trying to tease this out.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Douglas Ross

In terms of the quantum, though, there is a massive difference.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Did that invite go out before or after last week’s evidence session?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Douglas Ross

The last couple of questions are from me, minister. Clearly, financial concerns have been well expressed by the committee members to you and your officials today. There are also concerns within SDS about finances. I understand that SDS previously requested a letter of comfort for the SDS directors to be exempt from personal liability for any costs or financial deficits arising directly or indirectly from the reforms. Will the Government provide that letter of comfort?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Douglas Ross

So, why would the board think that they have been excluded?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Who supports the change?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Douglas Ross

When will that be in the process? I am not asking whether it will be on, say, 13 October; I am asking whether it will be before our report is concluded, before the stage 1 debate, before or after amendments at stage 2, or before or after the bill is passed by the Parliament at stage 3. You must be able to give an answer on that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Does that not suggest that you have got something wrong with the bill? People are in favour of the principle and they do want a more streamlined skills landscape—no one told us not to do that—but there are concerns about what you have brought forward. We will get into the issue of cost later, but perhaps you can tell us now how much you think the change will cost, because that will be over and above the benefits that a streamlined skills landscape will deliver.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Douglas Ross

How much do you think it will cost to implement the bill?