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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 31 October 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Yes, I know, but you have known that you would have to work through that process. It has not been unknown or sprung on you—indeed, it came up in our evidence last week.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Douglas Ross

That did not really happen in the midst of it—we are talking about a five-year period.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Douglas Ross

As there are no other questions, I invite the minister to move motion S6M-17468.

Motion moved,

That the Education, Children and Young People Committee recommends that the Regional Strategic Bodies and Regional Colleges (Glasgow and Lanarkshire) Order 2025 [draft] be approved.—[Graeme Dey.]

Motion agreed to.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Thank you very much. That concludes our consideration of the order. I thank the minister and his officials.

That concludes the public part of our proceedings. The committee will now move into private session to consider its final agenda items.

12:17 Meeting continued in private until 12:37.  

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Mr Mott, do you agree with that? You were suggesting that it would not be provided before stage 2.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Douglas Ross

To go back to Willie Rennie’s point, you have made it very clear that the apprenticeship funding would be secure and would not in any way be diluted. The chief operating officer was equally adamant that that would not happen. Those are very strong words, but they are no more than that—there is no guarantee.

You have talked about ministerial direction, but how would that work, given the Office for National Statistics classification in relation to the Funding Council? Ministers have said many times in the chamber that they are giving money to the Funding Council but they cannot direct it to go to Dundee university. How would this be different? If there is still concern that the words, though welcome, are no more than words, is there a need for the funding to be ring fenced or for there to be something in the legislation that says that the money can only, and will only, be spent on apprenticeships?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Douglas Ross

You do not have a view yourself.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Douglas Ross

In relation to the number of staff. I thought that you did not know—

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Douglas Ross

The budget that more than 50 per cent of the staff will be responsible for will pale into insignificance compared with the budget for colleges and universities.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Douglas Ross

I understand the criticisms of and concerns about apprenticeships that were raised in the Withers report. What is your response to the report by the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development, which was actually quite positive about what we are doing here and said that other countries could learn from the way in which apprenticeships are delivered in Scotland? I ask that question for balance.