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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 29 August 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Douglas Ross

But because it is such a complex picture, the committee needs to be able to scrutinise it. I feel that you have come to this meeting ill prepared to allow us to challenge and scrutinise the Funding Council’s response to the proposed legislation. The question about funding is a basic one that is asked by every parliamentary committee. Frankly, I am shocked that the SFC has been unable to prepare you to answer questions about the financial implications of the bill.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Douglas Ross

I call Stephen Kerr to wind up and to press or withdraw amendment 319.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Douglas Ross

I remind members that if amendment 88 is agreed to, I cannot call amendment 322 due to pre-emption.

Amendment 88 moved—[Jenny Gilruth].

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Douglas Ross

It came from the Scottish Funding Council’s underspend that would have gone back to the Scottish Government.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Why would you not want to get into that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Douglas Ross

If the SFC has to return money to the Scottish Government, which would have been the case with the £10 million that it then gave to Dundee university recently, why will things be any different if some of that money comes from an underspend in apprenticeships?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Douglas Ross

I am sorry, Mr Yeates, but we need to watch the time. The committee is currently considering a bill—the Education (Scotland) Bill—big amendments to which could be made this evening that would change how much that bill will cost.

However, SDS has given us a ballpark figure for the cost of the Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill—it has said that it will cost £30 million. Mr Boyle, the fact that you have not been able to provide even a rough calculation of what you think that the bill will cost is something that I would like you to take back to the Funding Council.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Douglas Ross

You say that you would do it tomorrow, but why did you not engage with SDS yesterday? Is SDS refusing to engage with you?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Douglas Ross

The result of the division is: For 2, Against 8, Abstentions 0.

Amendment 40 disagreed to.

Amendments 11, 337 and 338 not moved.

Amendment 339 moved—[Pam Duncan-Glancy]—and agreed to.

Amendments 340, 182 and 18 to 20 not moved.

Section 37, as amended, agreed to.

Section 38—Annual report

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Thank you all very much for your evidence today. I will briefly suspend the meeting to allow our witnesses to leave. The committee will then move into private session to consider its second agenda item, after which I will suspend the meeting until 5.45, at which point the committee will again sit in public to continue its consideration of the Education (Scotland) Bill at stage 2.

12:29 Meeting continued in private.  

12:58 Meeting suspended.  

17:45 On resuming—