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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 29 August 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Douglas Ross

I am not particularly reassured that, if there were a repeat of what we have seen at Dundee university and there were a rallying call for funding to save an institution from going under, and if the SFC had not spent all of its money on apprenticeships, that money would not then go towards a struggling institution, as it did recently.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Douglas Ross

You said that you did not want to get into that. Why would you not?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Douglas Ross

You are saying that there will never be any—

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Yes, you can, because that is what all other witnesses do. For example, when we have the Scottish Government in front of us, it will give us ballpark low and high figures. That is then scrutinised by the Finance and Public Administration Committee, which some members of this committee are on. That is exactly what witnesses do, bill after bill, time after time.

We have to make progress. Also in response to Willie Rennie, you said that you did not accept that there could be pressures between funding for university and colleges and funding for apprenticeships. It is only a few months since the Funding Council found an additional £10 million for the University of Dundee. There was a Government announcement in the chamber that there would be £15 million and that went up to £25 million, £22 million of which went to Dundee university. That was its request. The SFC was able to find £10 million for that. How can you guarantee that there will not be similar requests in the future that will mean that the SFC has to find sums of money, and that those sums of money will not come from apprenticeships?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Of course.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Douglas Ross

There will be a division.

For

Briggs, Miles (Lothian) (Con)
Rennie, Willie (North East Fife) (LD)
Ross, Douglas (Highlands and Islands) (Con)

Against

Adam, George (Paisley) (SNP)
Dunbar, Jackie (Aberdeen Donside) (SNP)
FitzPatrick, Joe (Dundee City West) (SNP)
Greer, Ross (West Scotland) (Green)
Kidd, Bill (Glasgow Anniesland) (SNP)
Mason, John (Glasgow Shettleston) (Ind)

Abstentions

Duncan-Glancy, Pam (Glasgow) (Lab)

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Douglas Ross

We turn to the group entitled “Inspection plans: preparation and matters to be covered”. Amendment 331, in the name of Pam Duncan-Glancy, is grouped with amendments 175, 25, 176, 177, 334, 38, 92, 92A, 92B and 39.

I point out that amendment 39 is pre-empted by amendment 179, which was previously debated in the group entitled “Independence of the chief inspector”.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Douglas Ross

I call Willie Rennie to wind up and to press or withdraw amendment 308.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Douglas Ross

I remind members that, if amendment 158, in the name of Sue Webber, is agreed to, I cannot call amendments 309, 310, 159, 311, 85 or 312, due to pre-emptions.

Amendments 158, 309, 310, 159, 311 and 85 not moved.

Amendment 312 moved—[Pam Duncan-Glancy]—and agreed to.

Amendment 160 not moved.

Section 30, as amended, agreed to.

After section 30

Amendments 24 and 313 not moved.

Section 31—Meaning of “relevant educational establishment” and “excepted establishment”

Amendment 161 not moved.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Amendment 87, in the name of the cabinet secretary, is grouped with amendments 317, 318, 169 and 350.