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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 20 October 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Douglas Ross

That is a long-term issue, and it is recognised. Are you saying that, if the four colleges that you identify are to survive past next summer, it will take cash injections from the Scottish Government to keep them afloat?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Douglas Ross

I understand that, and I understand that you give privileged information to ministers. Are you telling us that you know a figure, but you cannot tell the committee, or that the Scottish Funding Council does not know how much money Scottish colleges would need to get them over the very difficult period that will come by the end of the 2025-26 academic year, which is summer next year?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Douglas Ross

We move to our next agenda item. The committee will continue our evidence taking, which we began last week, on the Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill.

This is our third panel of witnesses today. Dr Lynne Binnie is service lead for inclusion at the City of Edinburgh Council and co-chair of the inclusion network at the Association of Directors of Education in Scotland; Tom Britton is Edinburgh local association assistant secretary at the Educational Institute of Scotland; Dr Pauline Stephen is chief executive and registrar at the General Teaching Council for Scotland; Mike Corbett is national official, Scotland, at the NASUWT; and Gavin Calder is chief executive officer of Harmeny school and a board member of the Scottish Council of Independent Schools.

I am very grateful to you all for bearing with us, as we have overrun today. I know that a couple of you have to be away by the designated time, so we will try to be direct with our questions. If you can be direct with your answers, we will get through as much as we can.

I will kick things off. It is fair to say that the two panels that we have already heard from on the bill were generally supportive of it. There is more concern among some of today’s witnesses, who will perhaps want to discuss some of their concerns.

I have raised this point before. As the father of two boys in mainstream education—one at nursery and one at school—I get a phone call as soon as anything happens, even if it is extremely minor. However, parents of children who have been restrained or secluded say that they do not get the same notification. Is that correct? If so, why?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Douglas Ross

Does anyone else want to question the evidence that we have heard? Dr Stephen and Mr Britton are saying that reporting should be, or is, happening, so why are we getting parents demanding legislative change because they feel that it is not happening at the moment? We have heard some harrowing examples in our evidence sessions and have seen examples in the written submissions. We were told last week that significant numbers of pupils have been restrained and secluded in their schools just since the start of this school term, but that not all of those incidents have been reported.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Douglas Ross

Ms Binnie, you know what came up in response to our call for written evidence and in the evidence that the committee has heard already. Has the Association of Directors of Education in Scotland looked into the issue? Can you tell us whether notification should be happening on the ground but is not? I find Mr Corbett’s example quite extreme and think that such a situation would be fairly rare, but we have been told of numerous occasions of children going home from school and being petrified to speak about what happened, with the parent not finding out what actually happened until days or weeks later, following demands. That cannot be acceptable.

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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Douglas Ross

Are you confident that policies and instructions are being implemented by staff?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Douglas Ross

Mr Calder, is there anything to add from the perspective of independent schools?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Douglas Ross

So why not just leave the staff where they are at the moment?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Douglas Ross

If the bill becomes law, modern apprenticeships—apprenticeships in general—will make up a fraction of what the SFC will do compared to what you will be doing with regard to colleges and universities, given the funding that you will control in relation to them.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Douglas Ross

Watching that, did it feel to you like there were good relationships between the two bodies?