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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 19 December 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Douglas Ross

Before I turn to Mr Dunlop, I can say that it is useful to get that overview and that other committee members will delve further into those issues.

We heard from some of last week’s witnesses that they felt that there had been lack of engagement in advance of the bill being published, although there was more engagement after that. Do you have similar concerns? Could some of those issues have been addressed if there had been improved engagement between Scottish Government ministers or civil servants and all of you, or have you been satisfied with the engagement that you have had on the bill?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Douglas Ross

All the political parties have signed up to the Promise and are supportive of it. You mention in your evidence that it is 3,256 days since Nicola Sturgeon made that commitment and got cross-party support. Why do you feel that we are at the stage that we are at now, and that the bill that has been produced by the Scottish Government lacks any of the ambition that you would expect? There is political will, and that is surely the biggest thing that the Government needs behind it. It has the political will and consensus across the Parliament. Why has it not gone further through the bill?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Douglas Ross

Hearing you talk about love suggests that there is a different side to you that I have not seen before, Mr Adam. [Laughter.]

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Douglas Ross

I accept that. That is a legal question, which we will definitely put to the minister.

The minister has already taken a decision to frame the bill in such a way that there are elements that are outwith the UNCRC, because it refers back to the 1995 act. If that is not rectified, would that be a significant enough concern for you to say, “We shouldn’t support this bill”?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Douglas Ross

We move to questions from Ross Greer.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Douglas Ross

Thank you all very much. That was a good overview, and a number of the points that you have highlighted will be picked up by other members. However, I have to say that we have taken 30 minutes for one question. It was my bad by asking a very open question, but we will not be able to repeat that with every question. I am sure that Pam Duncan-Glancy will be more direct with her questions and that you will be more direct with your answers.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Douglas Ross

Thank you. Given that we are on the topic of hearings, I will delve a little further into that with you, Sheriff Mackie. Your working group recommended that the obligation on a child to attend hearings should be replaced with a presumption that they will attend. The bill removes the obligation but does not replace it with such a presumption. What do you think of that and what concerns do you have about it? Should there be a difference in the types of hearings at which there should be either an obligation or a presumption on a child to attend?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Douglas Ross

The group also recommended the abolition of grounds hearings. From your evidence, and from that of The Promise Scotland, it seems that you are still of that view. Will you explain where the bill does not go as far as you would like it to? What would be the difficulties if the bill remained as it is? Should the provisions on grounds hearings be strengthened as well?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Douglas Ross

May I just confirm that, although some people think that the provision is important, you think that it would cause undue difficulties to assess whether someone is causing distress—and that, in any case, there are existing powers that allow a chair to carry out that function.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Douglas Ross

I am sorry to dwell on that matter so much, but there have been quite a lot of responses to our call for evidence on it.