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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 29 August 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Thank you. I call Bill Kidd.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Douglas Ross

I suppose that my specific question, though, is this: do they even know that this bill is going through Parliament at the moment? Are they up to date with and aware of it? Are they worried about it, or are they waiting to see how your negotiations and discussions and the debates in here conclude before they ring the alarm bells?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Douglas Ross

A letter of guidance is not absolute. There is always provision for exceptional circumstances, and we have just discussed examples of pretty exceptional circumstances.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Douglas Ross

I have a couple of final questions. Sir Paul Grice, you will have heard the concerns that have been raised in evidence that moving apprenticeships into the SFC will mean that they will be diluted and that, given all the issues in your sector, another university or universities might, at some point, seek additional financial support from the SFC, so money for apprenticeships could be siphoned off from achieving the principal aim of supporting universities and other institutions. Do you accept that? If so, what can be done to reassure those who are concerned about that? If universities seek additional support from the SFC in the future, should it look at its entire budget in order to provide support?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Douglas Ross

I will come back to a few of those points, but let us hear from the other witnesses.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Did you watch our evidence session last week?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Do you think that that is a deliberate move by the Government, or is it potentially an oversight? Your submission is quite scathing:

“The draft Bill proposals do not meaningfully build on existing good practice and would seem not to have been informed by a full range of available and relevant research evidence and performance data.”

You are basically saying that the Government did not do its homework before it came up with the proposals.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Forgive me, but how much less? What are we looking at?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Douglas Ross

What does that picture look like? Describe what it would have looked like five years ago compared to now, because of budget impacts.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Good morning, and welcome to the 16th meeting in 2025 of the Education, Children and Young People Committee. The main item on our agenda is continuation of evidence taking on the Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill at stage 1. I welcome the first of our two panels of witnesses: Jon Vincent, the principal of Glasgow Clyde College, who is representing Colleges Scotland; Sir Paul Grice, the interim convener of Universities Scotland; Andrew Ritchie, the lead officer for the Developing the Young Workforce programme at Aberdeenshire Council, who is representing the Association of Directors of Education in Scotland’s sub-group on foundation apprenticeships; and Sai Shraddha Suresh Viswanathan, the president of the National Union of Students Scotland. Thank you all for joining us.

I will kick off with the question that I have asked the two previous panels of witnesses. What is the problem that the bill is seeking to address and rectify, and is the bill the answer to that problem?