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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 29 August 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Phiona, what awareness do your employers have of this particular bill and what it could mean for them?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Douglas Ross

It did not do that this time.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Douglas Ross

I said that I would come back to the witnesses on a number of points, but you have all given quite comprehensive answers, and we are starting to go into areas that other members want to ask about, so I will go to the other members and then maybe come back in.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Welcome back. We will continue taking evidence on the Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill, and I welcome our second panel: Sarah Dalrymple, founder and director of SDC-Learn; Stephanie Lowe, deputy chief executive, Scottish and Northern Ireland Plumbing Employers Federation; and Phiona Rae, head of administration and finance, Tullos Training. Phiona Rae is appearing virtually.

I will kick off the questions. You might have heard the discussion that we had with the previous panel—indeed, I have asked this question of every panel on the bill. Is there a problem that the bill is seeking to address? Is the bill the right answer to that problem? We will start with Sarah Dalrymple.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Jon Vincent, we were told that, apparently, colleges were the culprits.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Douglas Ross

How does the Government respond when you put that point to it? Does it see this as more of a priority than sorting out—

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Douglas Ross

The Funding Council was trying to reassure us that apprenticeships would be protected, because they have very separate and specific budgets. Is that not contrary to what you have just said?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Okay. Thank you very much.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Douglas Ross

I am very keen to have as much debate as possible, but we have another panel following this one, so, in the interests of time, I ask members to keep their questions as tight as possible, with tight responses as well. That will allow us to bring in everyone who is keen to get in.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Douglas Ross

I can understand your defence, but I also have a concern that if there has been reduction in teaching time and other elements of the courses, we should be upfront and honest with employers and say that there has been quite a significant change. Given that you cannot answer these questions today, I think that there will be further queries going forward.

Sai, is there anything from the student’s perspective that you can articulate on the change in classroom contact time that has taken place over a number of years?