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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 23 June 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Douglas Ross

The question is, that amendment 129 be agreed to. Are we agreed?

Members: No.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Douglas Ross

I am grateful to Willie Rennie for his clarification about the change. I am glad to hear that it is not just me who has had an issue—not that I was worried about that. Today, my office told me that, for the third time, my meeting with the SQA has been cancelled. If other MSPs have had issues meeting the SQA, although that is not great, it is understandable. I think that most MSPs would welcome the opportunity to have a face-to-face meeting with the organisation.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Douglas Ross

The wording in the amendments is “Parliamentary corporation”—that is how the SPCB is described.

On Mr Adam’s first point about whether this is necessary, the arguments that he is making now—that there has been a change in the culture and leadership of the SQA, and that things will get better or that they are already good enough for change not to be needed—are the exact same arguments that were put to Ian Thow in 2013, 12 years ago. He was told, “You have an issue, but we think that things are efficient and effective.” Then there were the issues with higher history, and there were also issues with national 5 history this year, which might have elicited a complaint to be investigated if we had had the proposed independent regulator in place.

I accept and understand George Adam’s points. However, those points were also made some time ago. If the issues had been acted on then, there might have been an independent regulator in place that would have independently examined the higher history exam situation that happened last year.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Douglas Ross

Oh, okay. In that case, I call Pam Duncan-Glancy to wind up, and to press or withdraw amendment 254.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Douglas Ross

There will be a division. We can see you fine, Clare Haughey.

For

Briggs, Miles (Lothian) (Con)
Duncan-Glancy, Pam (Glasgow) (Lab)
Rennie, Willie (North East Fife) (LD)
Ross, Douglas (Highlands and Islands) (Con)

Against

Adam, George (Paisley) (SNP)
Dunbar, Jackie (Aberdeen Donside) (SNP)
FitzPatrick, Joe (Dundee City West) (SNP)
Greer, Ross (West Scotland) (Green)
Haughey, Clare (Rutherglen) (SNP)
Mason, John (Glasgow Shettleston) (Ind)

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Douglas Ross

The question is, that amendment 272 be agreed to. Are we agreed?

Members: No.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Douglas Ross

The result of the division is: For 5, Against 5, Abstentions 0.

As the outcome of the division on amendment 272 is tied, I will now use my casting vote as convener in order for the committee to reach a decision. I vote in favour of amendment 272.

Amendment 272 agreed to.

12:30  

Amendments 273 and 274 not moved.

Section 11, as amended, agreed to.

After section 11

Amendment 130 moved—[Miles Briggs].

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Douglas Ross

The question is, that amendment 130 be agreed to. Are we agreed?

Members: No.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Douglas Ross

There will be a division.

For

Briggs, Miles (Lothian) (Con)
Duncan-Glancy, Pam (Glasgow) (Lab)
Ross, Douglas (Highlands and Islands) (Con)

Against

Adam, George (Paisley) (SNP)
Dunbar, Jackie (Aberdeen Donside) (SNP)
FitzPatrick, Joe (Dundee City West) (SNP)
Greer, Ross (West Scotland) (Green)
Haughey, Clare (Rutherglen) (SNP)
Mason, John (Glasgow Shettleston) (Ind)
Rennie, Willie (North East Fife) (LD)

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Douglas Ross

The result of the division is: For 2, Against 8, Abstentions 0.

Amendment 275 disagreed to.

Section 12—Reviewing and revising the charters

Amendment 276 moved—[Pam Duncan-Glancy].