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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 29 August 2025
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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Douglas Ross

I will try to take that advice by answering in one or two sentences. We are here to scrutinise Government legislation and Government ministers and to look at the topical issues of the day. If we do all three things, we will perform well as committees.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Douglas Ross

That is the point I am coming on to. First, as Ross Greer has suggested, no one is predicting the next election, but Parliament could end up having a number of smaller parties. Therefore, if we introduced elected conveners, the Parliament could be electing from a choice of one, because some conveners will be from smaller parties that might have only one member on a committee.

The reason why I can confidently say no, no and no to your three questions is because I had some fears about joining a committee that I had no experience of as the convener. I had never done much on education in my time; when I was previously in the Scottish Parliament, I was on the Justice Committee. I felt that I was coming in as a former party leader who did not know any of the other members.

However, although we have had quite strong and robust differences on the committee, I do not feel that, just because I was not elected in a vote in the chamber, my authority as convener in working with committee members has been diminished in any way. The committee members accept that, for the education committee and three other committees, the convener will be a Conservative member, and they will work with the convener to do their job. They are less interested in the convener if they are able to do what they want to and ask the questions that they want to. I do not think that having a vote in the chamber on a convener would change how any of our committee members work, either on their own or combined as a committee.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Douglas Ross

It goes back to what I said to Annie Wells—those early days are important for building up the relationships. When I joined the Justice Committee, there were members I did not know, but, after a year of being on the committee, I got on better with the members both within and outwith the committee.

Rhoda Grant made a point that I had thought about at the start of the session. It might be just my observation, but Parliament’s committees do not sit outwith the building very much. Committees could do more outreach work and more visits. If, say, the Education, Children and Young People Committee went up to visit Aberdeen and held a session there, that would not only bring Parliament closer to the people who elect us; it would mean that we were out of the building and away from emails and the chamber. It would also mean that the committee members, outwith the time of the visit and the committee session itself, would be doing things together on a more personal basis. It would be less adversarial, because we would not be doing scrutiny or legislation.

We should try to get out of the building—not all the time, but a bit more—to build up those relationships and perhaps change the culture a bit in each of the committees.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Should there be?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Do you think that there is a wide enough awareness among employers and others that someone who achieves a college qualification now has been through potentially quite significant classroom and workshop learning in comparison with what would have happened five years ago?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Is it a small amount? Is it significant?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Douglas Ross

You spoke about the quality of the service that learners receive. Are learners in Scotland’s colleges being taught less in the classroom or in workshops because your budgets are being cut?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Douglas Ross

I should declare, for the sake of balance on the committee, that other apprenticeships are available. You might be superstars, but there might be other superstars, too.

I call John Mason.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Douglas Ross

And that goes back to the schools not doing enough to promote the option.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Douglas Ross

We have heard the opposite and that, certainly in previous years, demand for apprenticeships has far outstripped supply. You are saying that that has changed now.