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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 23 June 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Douglas Ross

I call Pam Duncan-Glancy to wind up and to say whether she wishes to press or withdraw amendment 255.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Douglas Ross

Amendment 131, in the name of Miles Briggs, is in a group on its own.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Douglas Ross

I call Miles Briggs to wind up and to press or withdraw amendment 131.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Douglas Ross

The result of the division is: For 3, Against 7, Abstentions 0.

Amendment 253 disagreed to.

Section 9, as amended, agreed to.

After section 9

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Douglas Ross

I call amendment 69, in the name of the cabinet secretary, already debated with amendment 255. I remind members that, if amendment 69 is agreed to, I cannot call amendments 262 and 263, due to pre-emptions.

Amendment 69 not moved.

Amendments 262 and 263 not moved.

Amendment 264 moved—[Pam Duncan-Glancy].

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Douglas Ross

I am grateful to Ross Greer for making those points and for his support of the points that I have made. That crystallises my view that something is required in the bill. I am interested to hear the cabinet secretary’s response and the further discussions that we will have.

A point that I put to the former chief executive of the SQA is that, if the body was so sure of its internal investigation, it would have had no fear or concern about having an independent review. If the SQA is happy with its procedures and with everything that it is doing and believes that it is effective and functioning properly, it should not be concerned about an independent regulator being put in place, because such a regulator would have nothing to investigate if everything is fine. I hope that that is a helpful discussion for us to have.

There is a deficiency in this area in the current set-up, which I would not like to see being replicated in the new body. With the bill, we have a unique and fairly rare—I realise that something cannot be both unique and fairly rare—opportunity to change the education structures in Scotland. In considering the creation of the new qualifications Scotland body, we have an ideal opportunity to debate the issue, which is what I am seeking to do with the amendments in my name.

I move amendment 297.

19:30  

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Douglas Ross

I could have got a knighthood if it had gone to a casting vote.

The result of the division is: For 2, Against 8, Abstentions 0.

Amendment 74 disagreed to.

Section 26 agreed to.

Schedule 2—The Office of His Majesty’s Chief Inspector of Education in Scotland

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Douglas Ross

The result of the division is: For 5, Against 5, Abstentions 0.

As the outcome of the division on amendment 129 is tied, I will use my casting vote as convener in order for the committee to reach a decision. I vote in favour of amendment 129, so the amendment is agreed to.

Amendment 129 agreed to.

11:15  

Amendment 246 not moved.

Amendment 247 moved—[Pam Duncan-Glancy].

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Douglas Ross

The question is, that amendment 247 be agreed to. Are we agreed?

Members: No.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Douglas Ross

There will be a division.

For

Briggs, Miles (Lothian) (Con)
Duncan-Glancy, Pam (Glasgow) (Lab)
Greer, Ross (West Scotland) (Green)
Rennie, Willie (North East Fife) (LD)
Ross, Douglas (Highlands and Islands) (Con)

Against

Adam, George (Paisley) (SNP)
Dunbar, Jackie (Aberdeen Donside) (SNP)
FitzPatrick, Joe (Dundee City West) (SNP)
Haughey, Clare (Rutherglen) (SNP)
Mason, John (Glasgow Shettleston) (Ind)