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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 29 October 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education and Skills

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Douglas Ross

I requested the details of those who applied but were not successful, so that members could know whether they should approach their local authority to ask, “Did you apply? If you did not, why did you not apply?”. That might be helpful for some members.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education and Skills

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Douglas Ross

Let us try that. Okay. We will start again.

Good morning, and welcome to the 20th meeting in 2025 of the Education, Children and Young People Committee.

This morning, we will take evidence from the Scottish Government in an education and skills cross-portfolio session. We are also joined by Liz Smith MSP, who will ask her questions after all committee members have spoken.

I welcome Jenny Gilruth, the Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills; Graeme Dey, the Minister for Higher and Further Education; and Minister for Veterans; and Natalie Don-Innes, the Minister for Children, Young People and The Promise. The cabinet secretary and ministers are joined by their Scottish Government officials, and I welcome Graeme Logan, director of learning; Clare Hicks, director of education reform; Andrew Watson, director for children and families; and Stuart Greig, deputy director, governance and assurance division, lifelong learning and skills.

I understand that the cabinet secretary would like to make an opening statement.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education and Skills

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Douglas Ross

I can now take part because I have opened the meeting. If members have concerns, I will listen to them. I am very happy for you to convene the meeting if that will make it run more smoothly and I will come in when you decide to call me.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education and Skills

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Douglas Ross

Mr Rennie—

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education and Skills

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Douglas Ross

I will begin with a question for you, cabinet secretary. Do you believe that Scotland’s university principals receive appropriate salaries?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education and Skills

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Douglas Ross

We might get into some of those points. Remaining with the subject of violence in our schools for now, though, I recall that, last week, at portfolio question time on education and skills, you and I had a discussion about a particular case. I will not go back into that now but, in your response last week, you indicated that you would be having a joint discussion with the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs about consequences. How will that happen? What will be the process? Is there a cross-ministerial working group on the consequences of particularly violent and aggressive behaviour—for example, where the public believe that adequate sanctions are not being applied to those who have directed abuse and violence towards teachers?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education and Skills

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Douglas Ross

Thank you all. There are lots of questions, but I want to get to other members now, starting with Jackie Dunbar.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education and Skills

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Douglas Ross

Do not worry about it at all. We move to Pam Duncan-Glancy.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education and Skills

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Douglas Ross

Thank you, Mr Briggs. We now move on to Bill Kidd.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education and Skills

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Douglas Ross

Before I go to Joe FitzPatrick, I will go back to the Minister for Children, Young People and the Promise. Minister, do you agree with John Mason when he says that expecting Liz Smith to meet and almost negotiate with trade unions and COSLA over teacher contracts with regard to her bill is an almost impossible barrier? Is it appropriate to ask the member in charge of the bill to do that, or are there other mechanisms that could be used?