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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 23 June 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Douglas Ross

There will be a division. We can see you fine, Clare Haughey.

For

Briggs, Miles (Lothian) (Con)
Duncan-Glancy, Pam (Glasgow) (Lab)
Rennie, Willie (North East Fife) (LD)
Ross, Douglas (Highlands and Islands) (Con)

Against

Adam, George (Paisley) (SNP)
Dunbar, Jackie (Aberdeen Donside) (SNP)
FitzPatrick, Joe (Dundee City West) (SNP)
Greer, Ross (West Scotland) (Green)
Haughey, Clare (Rutherglen) (SNP)
Mason, John (Glasgow Shettleston) (Ind)

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Douglas Ross

The question is, that amendment 272 be agreed to. Are we agreed?

Members: No.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Douglas Ross

The result of the division is: For 5, Against 5, Abstentions 0.

As the outcome of the division on amendment 272 is tied, I will now use my casting vote as convener in order for the committee to reach a decision. I vote in favour of amendment 272.

Amendment 272 agreed to.

12:30  

Amendments 273 and 274 not moved.

Section 11, as amended, agreed to.

After section 11

Amendment 130 moved—[Miles Briggs].

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Douglas Ross

The question is, that amendment 130 be agreed to. Are we agreed?

Members: No.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Douglas Ross

There will be a division.

For

Briggs, Miles (Lothian) (Con)
Duncan-Glancy, Pam (Glasgow) (Lab)
Ross, Douglas (Highlands and Islands) (Con)

Against

Adam, George (Paisley) (SNP)
Dunbar, Jackie (Aberdeen Donside) (SNP)
FitzPatrick, Joe (Dundee City West) (SNP)
Greer, Ross (West Scotland) (Green)
Haughey, Clare (Rutherglen) (SNP)
Mason, John (Glasgow Shettleston) (Ind)
Rennie, Willie (North East Fife) (LD)

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Douglas Ross

The result of the division is: For 2, Against 8, Abstentions 0.

Amendment 275 disagreed to.

Section 12—Reviewing and revising the charters

Amendment 276 moved—[Pam Duncan-Glancy].

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Douglas Ross

Good morning, and welcome to the 14th meeting in 2025 of the Education, Children and Young People Committee. We have received apologies from Bill Kidd, and Clare Haughey is attending in his place and joins us remotely.

The first item on our agenda is day 2 of our stage 2 consideration of the Education (Scotland) Bill. I welcome back the Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills and her supporting officials, committee members and other members of the Scottish Parliament who have lodged amendments.

Section 2—The function of awarding qualifications

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Douglas Ross

Amendment 3, in the name of Ross Greer, is grouped with amendment 230.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Douglas Ross

No—it was never my intention that we do. However, to continue until about 9 o’clock gives us an hour following the break that we had. I am sorry, Mr Mason—I tried to tell as many members as I could. I am aiming to finish at about 9 o’clock, if that suits members, the cabinet secretary and her officials. We will go on for about another 20 minutes, if members are okay with that.

Amendment 302, in the name of Stephen Kerr, is grouped with amendment 303. I call Miles Briggs to move amendment 302 and to speak to both amendments in the group.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Douglas Ross

I agree with that. I will certainly make a strong effort to speak to the convener about the fact that the amendments were not grouped with the accreditation amendments that we considered earlier. Perhaps it would have been easier if my amendments had been included in that earlier group.

On a serious point, although we hope that the higher history problems that we experienced last year are behind us, there is still a great deal of concern and ill feeling among teachers, some SQA staff and many across the wider education landscape. Some of the people who have been most vocal have been retired teachers who experienced issues in previous years and were promised that the culture would change, but they saw history repeating itself. To reassure them that we are treating this seriously, it is right that the amendments have been lodged and that we are having a full discussion.