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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 21 August 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Douglas Ross

You have had to be challenged a few times; you have had to update your evidence.

Let us get back to some of the other issues. I turn to the Gillies report. Do you know how many times it says that the principal could have been aware, should have been aware or was aware? How many times is that sentence repeated in the Gillies report?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Douglas Ross

A dozen times. I counted it—it did not take me long. I would have thought that, if I was the principal and the report was largely about my leadership, I would look to see how many times a phrase like that was included. Do you just not care?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Douglas Ross

Did Peter Fotheringham disobey you?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Douglas Ross

We are two and a half hours into our committee meeting. Other members are now going to come in so that everyone has a chance to speak

However, I am sat here listening to you and looking at you, Mr Gillespie, and something has just come to me. What is your strategy today? What did you come in here to achieve, and do you think that you are achieving, and will achieve, it?

11:00  

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Douglas Ross

So, you should not have been trying to interfere in that way.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Douglas Ross

A more positive narrative than the figures substantiated.

10:45  

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Douglas Ross

No, we are not having that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Douglas Ross

Do you now accept the characterisations that Gillies put in her report?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Douglas Ross

It is helpful that you mention those various titles. First, I hope that the person who was strong enough to outline what happened to them 10 years ago takes some encouragement from the fact that, under probing, you have been able to recollect that. It matches a pattern of behaviour that Gillies reported.

You have mentioned a number of roles to try to defend how you have acted as a leader. In the four years when you were principal, the following left the University of Dundee senior management: four directors of people, three directors of finance, three directors of external relations, three directors of strategy and four chiefs of staff in the principal’s office. At any time when those 17 people were separately leaving the University of Dundee, did you ever think that the problem was not the individuals who left but the one that remained—you?

10:00  

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Douglas Ross

We do, yes.