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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 22 June 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Douglas Ross

I call Ross Greer to wind up, and to press or withdraw amendment 36.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Douglas Ross

Amendment 255, in the name of Pam Duncan-Glancy, is grouped with amendments 256 to 261, 68, 69, 262 to 271, 70, 272 to 274, 130, 275 to 279, 285 and 208.

I point out that, due to pre-emption, if amendment 68 is agreed to, I cannot call amendment 69 or amendments 63 to 65; if amendment 69 is agreed to, I cannot call amendments 62 and 63; and if amendment 70 is agreed to, I cannot call amendments 272 and 273.

I call Pam Duncan-Glancy to move amendment 255 and speak to all amendments in the group.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Douglas Ross

I call Stephen Kerr to speak to amendment 270 and the other amendments in the group.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Douglas Ross

The result of the division is: For 2, Against 8, Abstentions 0.

Amendment 245 disagreed to.

Amendments 61 and 62 moved—[Ross Greer]—and agreed to.

Amendment 129 moved—[Miles Briggs].

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Douglas Ross

I do not believe that it would be too narrow. We have a bill in front of us that does two things. In the part that covers qualifications Scotland’s formation, there is an opportunity to strengthen the capacity for investigation of complaints. If there is an opportunity to do that at a wider level, I might look at that. However, the opportunity that we have as a committee is to scrutinise the bill and the new bodies, so it is right to do so. The fact that the amendments are quite narrow might address some of Mr Mason’s concerns that the proposal would be expensive—I hope that the fact that the proposal is so narrow means that it would not be.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Douglas Ross

The question is, that amendment 74 be agreed to. Are we agreed?

Members: No.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Douglas Ross

There will be a division.

For

Greer, Ross (West Scotland) (Green)
Mason, John (Glasgow Shettleston) (Ind)

Against

Adam, George (Paisley) (SNP)
Briggs, Miles (Lothian) (Con)
Dunbar, Jackie (Aberdeen Donside) (SNP)
Duncan-Glancy, Pam (Glasgow) (Lab)
FitzPatrick, Joe (Dundee City West) (SNP)
Haughey, Clare (Rutherglen) (SNP)
Rennie, Willie (North East Fife) (LD)
Ross, Douglas (Highlands and Islands) (Con)

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Douglas Ross

I absolutely believe that we need to add a body, because otherwise we will have the status quo, which, despite the changes that might be happening and will continue to take place, has lost the trust of teachers and other professionals in the education sector in Scotland. In the debate on amendment 232, the cabinet secretary said that there is an inherent lack of trust. We all know that—the cabinet secretary accepts it and every single member of the committee, and probably of the Parliament, accepts it. Given that inherent lack of trust, having an independent body to look at such issues would resolve some of those points.

An independent regulator might have come to exactly the same conclusions as the SQA’s inquiry did last year, but it is more likely that those conclusions would have been accepted if they had come from an independent body rather than the SQA being seen to mark its own homework.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Douglas Ross

I am not calling you to wind up quite yet. I will bring the cabinet secretary back in.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Douglas Ross

The question is, that amendment 271 be agreed to. Are we agreed?

Members: No.