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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 22 June 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Douglas Ross

The question is, that amendment 114 be agreed to. Are we agreed?

Members: No.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Douglas Ross

There will be a division.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Yes, you can, because that is what all other witnesses do. For example, when we have the Scottish Government in front of us, it will give us ballpark low and high figures. That is then scrutinised by the Finance and Public Administration Committee, which some members of this committee are on. That is exactly what witnesses do, bill after bill, time after time.

We have to make progress. Also in response to Willie Rennie, you said that you did not accept that there could be pressures between funding for university and colleges and funding for apprenticeships. It is only a few months since the Funding Council found an additional £10 million for the University of Dundee. There was a Government announcement in the chamber that there would be £15 million and that went up to £25 million, £22 million of which went to Dundee university. That was its request. The SFC was able to find £10 million for that. How can you guarantee that there will not be similar requests in the future that will mean that the SFC has to find sums of money, and that those sums of money will not come from apprenticeships?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Of course.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Amendment 305, in the name of Stephen Kerr, is grouped with amendments 306, 309, 310 and 312. I point out that amendments 309, 310 and 312 are pre-empted by amendment 158, which was previously debated in the group on the independence of the chief inspector.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Mr Boyle, I want to follow up a couple of your answers to Willie Rennie. Let me see whether I have got this right. You do not agree or disagree with the £30 million transition cost that Skills Development Scotland believes that the bill would involve, but are you honestly saying that you have come to the committee as a representative of the Scottish Funding Council without knowing what the cost of taking on the proposed new responsibilities will be?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Douglas Ross

I will say it again. You have neither agreed nor disagreed with the £30 million figure that SDS has suggested will be the transition cost, but surely you have not come to the committee that is scrutinising the bill to say that the Scottish Funding Council does not know what the cost of taking on the proposed extra responsibilities will be.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Despite knowing all that and knowing the Funding Council’s record in achieving that, people are still worried that, when you take on the proposed extra responsibility, there will not be the same focus on apprenticeships. That is what I am trying to get at. Even with your past record, people are still concerned about that issue.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Douglas Ross

In response to another question from Pam Duncan-Glancy, you said that you had read the reports that there were concerns that there would not be a focus on apprenticeships if the transfer to the Funding Council goes ahead but that that will not be the case. Given that you know that there are concerns about that, although we take you at your word, we need more than that. What is your evidence that there will not be a lack of focus on apprenticeships in future, given that you know that that is a concern of a number of people outwith the committee?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Douglas Ross

If it were not for that moratorium, would the numbers be higher?