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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 27 August 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Douglas Ross

The committee must now produce its report on the draft order. Is the committee content to delegate responsibility to me, as convener, to agree that report on behalf of the committee?

Members indicated agreement.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Douglas Ross

That is encouraging because, across the committee, we had been quite concerned about that.

There was indication that a commitment had been made by your officials on 9 December 2024 to keep up the engagement with unions. I understand that there were staff absences, but the Government is a large organisation and people would normally pick up the slack. Given that, as Mr FitzPatrick said, it got to the extent that five unions were coming to us, speaking with one voice about their concerns about the lack of engagement with you and your officials, why was the engagement not maintained by other members of your team?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Do you agree with the minister that we will get the cost detail before the stage 1 debate?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Are you comfortable that the minister is committing to giving it to the Parliament before the stage 1 debate? It is just a yes or no answer.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Douglas Ross

To go back to Willie Rennie’s point, you have made it very clear that the apprenticeship funding would be secure and would not in any way be diluted. The chief operating officer was equally adamant that that would not happen. Those are very strong words, but they are no more than that—there is no guarantee.

You have talked about ministerial direction, but how would that work, given the Office for National Statistics classification in relation to the Funding Council? Ministers have said many times in the chamber that they are giving money to the Funding Council but they cannot direct it to go to Dundee university. How would this be different? If there is still concern that the words, though welcome, are no more than words, is there a need for the funding to be ring fenced or for there to be something in the legislation that says that the money can only, and will only, be spent on apprenticeships?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Douglas Ross

You do not have a view yourself.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Douglas Ross

In relation to the number of staff. I thought that you did not know—

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Douglas Ross

The budget that more than 50 per cent of the staff will be responsible for will pale into insignificance compared with the budget for colleges and universities.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Can you tell us who supports the bill?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Have you asked?