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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 10 December 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Douglas Ross

Welcome back. I welcome our second panel of witnesses. Charlotte Wilson is temporary chief inspector for children and young people at the Care Inspectorate; Maree Allison is chief executive of the Scottish Social Services Council; and John Trainer is chief social work officer for Renfrewshire Council and convener of Social Work Scotland.

Do our witnesses have any initial thoughts on today’s report by Audit Scotland and the Auditor General on progress on the Promise to date? How should that report frame our thoughts about the bill that is in front of Parliament?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Douglas Ross

The bill was introduced long before the report came out, but we are aware of the mid-term review by the Promise oversight board and know that concerns have been raised.

Mr Trainer, will the proposals that are before the committee and Parliament to scrutinise and potentially agree on deliver on what people are calling for, whether in the Audit Scotland report or in the responses to our call for evidence?

You do not need to operate your microphone; we have specialists in the room to operate it for you remotely.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Douglas Ross

I have a final question about the report that came out today. I know that we are here to discuss future legislation, but I think that the report is important, as it will frame our thoughts and discussions as we move forward. Of the £500 million that was announced for the whole family wellbeing fund, only £148 million has been allocated. Why is that money not getting out the door? What is blocking that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Douglas Ross

But it is the Government that holds the purse strings, so if the process were to be simplified, it would be on the Government to do that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Douglas Ross

That is understandable. She blamed local authorities. She said that the Government has put up the money but it has not been spent locally, and basically told listeners of BBC Radio Scotland that you are the blockage. Has COSLA fed in to the Government to say, “Look, this is too complex; we need to make this a more streamlined approach”?

This is important money. The headline figure is £500 million. We all welcome that and want to see it paid out, but the fact that only £148 million has been delivered is a worry. What has COSLA said about that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Douglas Ross

I will move on to questions from Pam Duncan-Glancy in a moment, but first, Mr Savege, you said in response to Mr Rennie—this was quite a stark warning—that the bill could “take us backwards”. However, in the SOLACE submission, you said that you agree with the overall ambitions of the bill. How can you agree with something that you think could be a backwards step?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Douglas Ross

That is what I am asking. Is it possible, based on the framework, for the bill to be improved? Advocacy is a strong element of what is in the bill, and others are saying that it needs to be strengthened even further. I am just worried that you think that the bill could take us backwards.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Douglas Ross

Thank you very much.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Douglas Ross

In response to Mr Kidd, Ms Whitelock and Mr Savege, you both said that the Government could have engaged with you more. This is a team process, particularly in relation to the Promise. Do you feel snubbed because the Government did not come to you? Why did it not? On a bill of such importance, you are not the first witnesses to tell us that there was no Government outreach. Do you feel snubbed? If so, why?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Douglas Ross

When the report mentions that plans lack detail and direction, and that greater pace and momentum are needed, where does the lack of those qualities come from? Is it from individual local authorities? Is it IJBs? Is it the Government? Those are criticisms, and I just want to know who is to blame here.