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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 23 October 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Douglas Ross

Did you think that you were?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Douglas Ross

I will go into some of the specific details before I move on to questions from other members. We discussed the covenant breach at length yesterday. What was your awareness of the breach of the covenant and of your responsibilities as principal, vice-chancellor and, according to the Scottish Funding Council’s guidance, accountable officer?

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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Douglas Ross

But not the court.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Douglas Ross

If you had watched the evidence session yesterday, you would know that the finance and policy committee met in early to mid October. Therefore, if the discussion was two weeks prior to that, it must have been held in early October or late September.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Douglas Ross

You were the accountable officer.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Douglas Ross

When did you tell the court? As we have heard, you texted and phoned the chair of the court. If you found out about the issue in late September, you must have picked up the phone straight away and said, “We’ve got a problem here.”

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Douglas Ross

The evidence that we received yesterday was that the chief finance officer and the chief operating officer were not involved in your expenses. Are you saying that they were wrong? The chair of court accepted that there was a policy that she would have to sign them off, but the finance director at the time and the chief operating officer said that they were not involved in your expenses.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Douglas Ross

No—not in this case. In fact, it works the other way. For something so serious, the delegation is disregarded, because it puts you, as the accountable officer, in the position of ensuring that it happens. It works in reverse: it goes to the very top to avoid the other people and to avoid any concern that duplication could lead to something being missed—and you did not do it.

I cannot understand how someone who has worked in the United Kingdom Government civil service and in universities, who held the most senior position in his university and who was a representative, at the time, of all universities in Scotland could get it so badly wrong. You cannot explain to the committee why you failed so badly.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Douglas Ross

Caused by you.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Douglas Ross

I am certain that it will continue to be a great university, but that will be in spite of, rather than because of, your time in charge.

I and several other members asked whether you would pay back the £150,000-plus that you received as a pay-off for leaving. You said that you would reflect on that. This will perhaps be the last time that we hear from you in public—certainly in a setting such as this—so I will give you a final opportunity to say whether you think, having reflected on the questions that you have been asked over the past three hours, that it would be right for you to hand back the money. You do not deserve it.