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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 20 June 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Douglas Ross

On that point, have the bodies that will be involved, and indeed the Scottish Government, learned enough from past mistakes? Professor Seaton, you said that history is littered with examples of where more funding and better resources could have been allocated. Are we in Scotland—the Government in particular, and the bodies involved in the bill—good enough at learning from the mistakes of the past?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Douglas Ross

If you had published the report originally in January, the information that covers May to September would not have been included in January’s report, so it would not have been up-to-date at that point. I do not know why you cannot just publish it now.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Right, so Audit Scotland was part of the reason why colleges had not signed off their accounts in these two cases.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Douglas Ross

So it is not just the colleges signing off their accounts late. Is Audit Scotland telling you not to publish?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Douglas Ross

That concludes our consideration of the bill at stage 2.

I thank the cabinet secretary, her officials, committee members and others who have lodged amendments and allowed us to debate the issues. I also make a special mention of broadcasting, the official report and others who have facilitated our long meetings well into the evening hours. I thank our clerks and the entire committee team for their work on the bill. Finally, we are also grateful to the legislation team, who, as I know from personal experience, take members’ ideas and put them into a form that can be debated.

With those remarks, I close the meeting.

Meeting closed at 22:05.  

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Douglas Ross

To paraphrase what was said to me earlier, is it the case that there is not a problem and that this will just be a reorganisation, or is there an issue that the bill seeks to tackle? I seem to be getting conflicting answers at the moment.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Douglas Ross

I know that there is only so much time for fellows to discuss such things.

10:15  

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Douglas Ross

The question is, that amendment 88 be agreed to. Are we agreed?

Members: No.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Douglas Ross

There will be a division.

For

Adam, George (Paisley) (SNP)
Briggs, Miles (Lothian) (Con)
Dunbar, Jackie (Aberdeen Donside) (SNP)
FitzPatrick, Joe (Dundee City West) (SNP)
Greer, Ross (West Scotland) (Green)
Kidd, Bill (Glasgow Anniesland) (SNP)
Mason, John (Glasgow Shettleston) (Ind)
Rennie, Willie (North East Fife) (LD)
Ross, Douglas (Highlands and Islands) (Con)

Against

Duncan-Glancy, Pam (Glasgow) (Lab)

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Douglas Ross

The result of the division on amendment 88 is: For 9, Against 1, Abstentions 0.

Amendment 88 agreed to.

Amendment 89 moved—[Jenny Gilruth].