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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 8 December 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Douglas Ross

Thank you very much for that opening statement, cabinet secretary.

You rightly mentioned Beth Morrison and the work that she has done on behalf of her son Calum, and Kate Sanger and the work that she has done on behalf of her daughter Laura. However, those are not new incidents; they did not happen recently. Why have we reached the stage of having a member’s bill, when parents have been campaigning for years, including through petitions to this Parliament, seeking the Government to do something? Although it is welcome that the Government supports the bill, why has the Government not done more on the issue before now?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Douglas Ross

We will get on to that later, because we received an email from the student union last night and significant concerns have been expressed at the university about it.

Is all the work being done internally? Are you using your own internal skills and expertise or are you seeking outside advice?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Douglas Ross

Did you not think that that was an option? Why did you not take that option?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Douglas Ross

However, do you have that ability given that, by your own admission, the plan that you submitted in August was rejected by the Funding Council? Does that not indicate that you do not have the ability to produce the plans to the level that is required by the Funding Council, the Scottish Government and others?

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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Douglas Ross

You spoke about the fears of teachers and local authorities. What about the fears of parents whose child comes home unwilling to speak about what happened at their school, and who cannot get that information? Throughout our evidence sessions, I have given the same example: if one of my boys trips in the playground and grazes their knee, we immediately get a phone call. That is one of the few issues on which Mr Adam and I agree in this committee, because he has similar experiences with his grandchildren. That happens for children in mainstream education, so why does it not happen when some of our most vulnerable children, who cannot express their own opinions in a normal way, are restrained and secluded?

I am sure that it was not deliberate, but when you spoke about fears, it was all about the fears of the teachers and of local authorities. I have real concerns about the fears of parents who do not know what is happening to their children while they are at school, right now, in 2025, here in Scotland.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Douglas Ross

Was it not discussed by the Funding Council?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Douglas Ross

That was quite an interesting answer.

Going back to a couple of points that were raised in John Mason’s questioning, I note that you said that a permanent chair is required before you advertise for a principal, but then you said that that was good practice. Is it not required?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Douglas Ross

I have quite a lot of information on this that I am quite happy to put into the public domain. I cannot imagine that what you say here will compromise anything, and it just looks suspicious if you will not answer. I am not saying that it is suspicious; I am just talking about what it might look like from the outside.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Douglas Ross

If it was not a paper, was there due to be a finance update from the interim finance director—as was the normal process for court meetings—which was then removed from the agenda? Did Helen Simpson still insist on giving an update?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Douglas Ross

I have a couple of quick questions to try to wrap up some things from the earlier evidence.

Mr Hamill said in response to some of the final questions that the senior team is open to ideas that it has not thought of. Professor Seaton, what is the most radical, thinking-outside-the-box idea that you have come up with to make the necessary savings at Dundee?