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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 11 March 2026
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Group-based Child Sexual Abuse and Exploitation

Meeting date: 25 February 2026

Douglas Ross

Thank you. We go to Bill Kidd.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Group-based Child Sexual Abuse and Exploitation

Meeting date: 25 February 2026

Douglas Ross

Good morning and welcome to the eighth meeting of the Education, Children and Young People Committee in 2026. Our first item of business is an evidence session on group-based child sexual abuse and exploitation.

I welcome our witnesses: Professor Alexis Jay, who is the independent chair of the national strategic group on child sexual abuse; Craig Naylor, His Majesty’s chief inspector of constabulary in Scotland; Deputy Chief Constable Bex Smith of Police Scotland; and Detective Chief Superintendent Sarah Taylor, the head of public protection at Police Scotland. I thank them all for attending today and for the written submissions that we have received.

We will move straight to questions. Professor Jay, there has been an informal session with a cross-party group of MSPs, at which you gave a good update on exactly what we are looking at today and on the wider issue. In order to get that into the Official Report, please tell us what grooming is and how your independent group and others are looking at that. Also, what is your evaluation of the current situation here in Scotland, in comparison with other parts of the United Kingdom? That is a simple opening question.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Group-based Child Sexual Abuse and Exploitation

Meeting date: 25 February 2026

Douglas Ross

I will come to you, Mr Naylor. Is the inspectorate partly responsible? You are now part of this review but, prior to that, the inspectorate was there to give reassurance to us as elected members and to the wider public that there is a body that is checking up on others. Did the inspectorate miss instances of networking or grooming gangs?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Group-based Child Sexual Abuse and Exploitation

Meeting date: 25 February 2026

Douglas Ross

Mr Naylor, I was looking at the three phases of work on the review. At what point do survivors feature in that, or is that aspect being covered by Police Scotland and the other groups and therefore you are just looking at the bodies?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Group-based Child Sexual Abuse and Exploitation

Meeting date: 25 February 2026

Douglas Ross

I will ask about document retention. DCC Smith spoke about there being no time bar against coming forward to Police Scotland, but some people may have come forward previously and not got the outcome that they expected at the time. Although things have changed since then, if someone goes to a local police station and says, “I reported this 30 years ago and I don’t think that it was handled correctly,” how confident are you that the relevant documents will be available and accessible?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Group-based Child Sexual Abuse and Exploitation

Meeting date: 25 February 2026

Douglas Ross

Much of that is in paper form. You know where the paperwork is, and it is currently being digitised—is that correct?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Group-based Child Sexual Abuse and Exploitation

Meeting date: 25 February 2026

Douglas Ross

I suppose that that would be proving a negative, as you suggested earlier, but there may be gaps that arise that look strange.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Group-based Child Sexual Abuse and Exploitation

Meeting date: 25 February 2026

Douglas Ross

Paul O’Kane is joining us remotely.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Group-based Child Sexual Abuse and Exploitation

Meeting date: 25 February 2026

Douglas Ross

Before I move on, you have made it clear that you are staunchly independent of the Government. So that you can get your response on the record, I put it to you that there are some concerns that the inspectorate in Scotland is too close to the Government, because you share buildings with them, for example. How do you respond to that? I hope that you can provide some reassurance to people who are watching and following our proceedings.

09:45

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Group-based Child Sexual Abuse and Exploitation

Meeting date: 25 February 2026

Douglas Ross

You have suggested that things have not been investigated appropriately in the past as they would be now. I will not go into the specifics of the case, but I have raised a fairly recent case with you—indeed, it concluded in the court only in the past few weeks; it is not a historical case—in which errors have been made that we have to look at. Although the incidents may go back many years, it is a recent case and there are recent victims who I believe, from what I know about the case, have suffered as a result of the police investigation, which could have and should have been better. Would the force accept that?