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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 8 December 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Douglas Ross

With regard to local authorities, we have the Verity house agreement, which is supposed to improve working relationships between Government ministers and local government. The submission from the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities, the umbrella organisation for local authorities, said:

“The lack of meaningful engagement and partnership working with key stakeholders during the development of the bill is a significant concern.”

How do you respond to COSLA?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Douglas Ross

I will go through many examples that explain to us as a committee that that is just not true. I will go through written evidence that was submitted to the committee and oral evidence that we heard. Did you follow all of that evidence, and did you have any concerns at the time, when people were saying things about you and your officials?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Douglas Ross

We have all been enlightened this morning. On Willie Rennie’s points, the committee received a response from Clan Childlaw, which has been published on our website. Have you seen that? It is about the bill and that element of the bill.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Douglas Ross

Clan Childlaw—

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Douglas Ross

As I said at the beginning, we are joined by Roz McCall, who has taken a keen interest in the bill. I will bring her in now.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Douglas Ross

So why did you feel that there was a need for a consultation? You had already included the provisions in the bill when you introduced it in June, so what happened in the weeks after that to make you think that you needed a consultation?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Douglas Ross

It was not. There is nothing that prevents you from doing that. The Government consults ad nauseam. Was there a legal impediment to prevent you from doing it? Were officials saying, “Don’t do this until you introduce the bill?”

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Douglas Ross

Your department introduced the bill and the financial memorandum, and we are hearing from the minister today that she has concerns. Were those concerns not highlighted at ministerial or official level prior to the bill’s introduction?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Douglas Ross

However, you would have appreciated the situation when you lodged the financial memorandum.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Douglas Ross

Okay. Mr Henderson or Mr McCaffrey, what advice could still go to the minister that has not gone to her in the past few months while we have been raising this issue at committee?