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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 23 August 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Colleges (Financial Sustainability)

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Douglas Ross

Can you understand that there is concern that some of those voices have been lost, given that all nine chairs used to be on the predecessor board and, now, two chairs attend, with a third possibly being invited? Now that the chair of the court chairs the RSB, there is not the same independence as there was when there was an independent chair. That means that, if the leadership of the UHI wants to get something through, it can now do that. With the regional strategic body rubber stamping proposals, there is less opportunity for dialogue and debate and, perhaps, for colleges to propose changes.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Colleges (Financial Sustainability)

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Douglas Ross

That is very interesting. I welcome that. Can I take it that that was an admission that you are not inclusive enough at the moment? If the court must change to be more inclusive, as you just said, does that not suggest that you are not inclusive enough at the moment?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Colleges (Financial Sustainability)

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Douglas Ross

So, why do you need to become more inclusive?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Colleges (Financial Sustainability)

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Douglas Ross

I mentioned the transformation plans, which have been on-going for several years. However, people on the ground tell me that they have not seen much change, even though there is a lot of talk, and papers are produced and so on.

You made a point about dialogue. I have heard a lot of criticism to do with the fact that when individual staff members—very skilled staff members, with a lot of experience in UHI—have submitted proposals, they have felt that you, the chair or the court have not taken them on board. Indeed, in some cases, they felt that the chair just replied to thank them, but nothing really happened.

How do you respond to the concern that, despite the fact that you say that you want dialogue, that does not follow through to changes to the transformation plans?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Colleges (Financial Sustainability)

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Douglas Ross

Finally, we have heard from other witnesses today about the challenges around capital. People who come from Moray, as I do, are particularly worried about Moray college, which is in older buildings in which there has been limited investment—indeed, some of the classrooms have had to be closed and people have moved offices and suchlike. There is a worry that a general lack of investment will make it easier in the future for UHI to say, “Despite our best efforts, Moray college can’t continue, because it would cost too much to upgrade the current building or to build a new one. Therefore, students can go elsewhere—it’s only 40 miles to Inverness.”

What would you say to dampen those concerns or to remove them completely? Moray needs the students to go there. The students who study at Moray college achieve very good outcomes. The principal, David Patterson, is doing a great job under very trying circumstances—we have heard that all principals are working under trying circumstances at the moment—in leading the college’s outstanding staff. Can you give a guarantee that there will always be a UHI Moray in Moray?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Colleges (Financial Sustainability)

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Douglas Ross

The next item of business is to take evidence from a panel of witnesses on the financial sustainability of Scotland’s colleges. I welcome to the meeting from Colleges Scotland Angela Cox, chair of the college principals group, and Andy Witty, director of strategic policy and corporate governance. I also welcome Joanna Campbell, principal and chief executive of Glasgow Kelvin College, Professor Wayne Powell, principal and chief executive of Scotland’s Rural College, and Vicki Nairn, principal and vice-chancellor of the University of the Highlands and Islands. I welcome you all to the committee.

I will start off with Mr Witty and Ms Cox. At the start of the year, we had ministers in front of us to discuss the budget, and they felt that the budget that the Scottish Government delivered was good for Scotland’s colleges. However, Colleges Scotland had told the committee that the budget was

“deeply disappointing for Scotland’s 24 colleges”,

that

“the sector’s call for greater investment had been overlooked”,

that

“This shortfall will have far-reaching implications for Scotland’s economic recovery”

and that

“this funding cut poses significant challenges.”

Who is right? Is it Colleges Scotland, who said all that, or the ministers who said that this was a good budget for the college sector?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Colleges (Financial Sustainability)

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Douglas Ross

What have you and the RSB done to resolve that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Colleges (Financial Sustainability)

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Douglas Ross

“Cumbersome” in a way that the colleges can no longer afford it?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Colleges (Financial Sustainability)

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Douglas Ross

You said that the number was declining “until recently”. I have seen figures that show that it was up at 6,500 a couple of years ago, and that it then fell to 5,500. I have now seen a paper that projects 5,360. However, you are saying that there will be 5,800, which will be an 18 per cent increase in applications. Are you saying that the 5,360 figure is wrong?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Colleges (Financial Sustainability)

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Douglas Ross

It will not be 5,360—you are confident on that.