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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 4 February 2026
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Douglas Ross

I know—it is a long ministerial career.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Douglas Ross

Given that incident—which I deem to be a breach of the ministerial code—and given this whole episode, would you have any concerns if the First Minister asked his independent adviser to look into the matter, or if the independent adviser on the ministerial code themselves decided to look into it?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Douglas Ross

Having listened to what you have said, cabinet secretary, I wonder whether you now regret using the Professor Jay quote, given that we know how this Parliament works and that people had probably decided which way they were going to vote? Given that this issue has been on-going for so long, do you now think that it was a mistake to intervene at that point using that quote?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Cross-portfolio Session

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Douglas Ross

Welcome back. Our next item of business is an evidence session on the various portfolios of the cabinet secretary and ministers, who are with their officials.

The committee will take evidence from: Jenny Gilruth, Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills; Natalie Don-Innes, Minister for Children, Young People and The Promise; and Ben Macpherson, Minister for Higher and Further Education. From the Scottish Government, I welcome: Clare Hicks, director of education reform; Adam Reid, deputy director for skills; Alison Taylor, interim director for learning; and Andrew Watson, director for children and families.

I welcome all the ministers and officials, and I invite the cabinet secretary to make an opening statement.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Douglas Ross

Thank you. I will briefly suspend the meeting to allow for a change of witnesses.

09:33 Meeting suspended.  

09:36 On resuming—  

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Douglas Ross

Welcome back. We will now hear from our next panel of witnesses. The Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs, Angela Constance, is accompanied by Scottish Government officials Iona Colvin, chief social work adviser, and Andrew Watson, director for children and families.

Welcome to the meeting. On behalf of the committee, I thank you for agreeing at short notice to come along today. I understand that the cabinet secretary would like to make a brief opening statement.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Douglas Ross

Professor Jay, you say that the current process is workable, but is it optimal? Is it the best process that we could have to get answers for victims?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Douglas Ross

We may do that. Was there any dialogue with you regarding what was being proposed? Did people feed in, or did Government ministers and advisers come to you to say, “This is what we are doing”? Was there an opportunity to develop the process?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Douglas Ross

Could we perhaps get clarity on that, if you are able to provide it after this meeting?

Before we move on to questions from other members, Professor Jay mentioned a call that she had with you, and I think that that is what you were alluding to when you mentioned the apology that you made to her about her name being brought into this. Is that the private call between yourself and Professor Jay that you requested on 27 November?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Douglas Ross

Were you calling as an individual member of the Scottish Parliament or as the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs?