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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 23 October 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Douglas Ross

My question is more about the wording—I can read it again—that the minister used on 11 June to this committee, which is a committee of this Parliament, that she would “Absolutely” bring forward “proposed amendments”. Did anyone in the minister’s team say, “Actually, what you’ve just said is not possible”? It is difficult for me, as convener of this committee, to find out months later that a commitment given was never going to be realised.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Douglas Ross

But the minister told us that she would do that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Douglas Ross

There must be only two or, potentially, three Cabinet meetings. Have you not been invited to present a paper to Cabinet yet?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Douglas Ross

We will come to Ms McKerron in a minute.

Are you saying that you cannot because you are not allowed to, or that you will not? I am not asking what your decision will be, although I would like you to tell us, if you will. I simply want to know when the Cabinet is going to discuss this.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Douglas Ross

Do you know when, but you cannot tell the committee, or do you not know when?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Douglas Ross

I think that you can. I think that being called before a committee gives you the opportunity to do that, and that is why members are asking these questions.

If we are not going to get an answer, other members will want to come in. Before they do so, I will ask briefly about the concerns that were raised last night about the undemocratic nature of the potential decision not to lodge a financial resolution. Do you understand the gravity of the decision that you would be taking not to lodge a financial resolution? It would be the first time in the history of devolution that the Government has sought to strike down a bill using that procedure, rather than listening to the will of Parliament, which overwhelmingly supported the bill at stage 1.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Douglas Ross

I know, but it will effectively be done.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Douglas Ross

So it cannot inform your decision. You will not have those numbers.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Douglas Ross

But nothing in the bill stops that. The bill provides a universal opportunity for people to be given the chance to go on these trips, but there is no mandatory obligation for them to go. I have to say, Mr Adam, that the bill is about a lot more than zip wires and canoeing. [Interruption.] Well, you might find that funny. I find that—

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Douglas Ross

Well, I do not want it to be an issue—