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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 18 June 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Yes, I know, but you have known that you would have to work through that process. It has not been unknown or sprung on you—indeed, it came up in our evidence last week.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Did that invite go out before or after last week’s evidence session?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Douglas Ross

The last couple of questions are from me, minister. Clearly, financial concerns have been well expressed by the committee members to you and your officials today. There are also concerns within SDS about finances. I understand that SDS previously requested a letter of comfort for the SDS directors to be exempt from personal liability for any costs or financial deficits arising directly or indirectly from the reforms. Will the Government provide that letter of comfort?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Who supports the change?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Douglas Ross

So, why would the board think that they have been excluded?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Douglas Ross

When will that be in the process? I am not asking whether it will be on, say, 13 October; I am asking whether it will be before our report is concluded, before the stage 1 debate, before or after amendments at stage 2, or before or after the bill is passed by the Parliament at stage 3. You must be able to give an answer on that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Douglas Ross

That did not really happen in the midst of it—we are talking about a five-year period.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Douglas Ross

As there are no other questions, I invite the minister to move motion S6M-17468.

Motion moved,

That the Education, Children and Young People Committee recommends that the Regional Strategic Bodies and Regional Colleges (Glasgow and Lanarkshire) Order 2025 [draft] be approved.—[Graeme Dey.]

Motion agreed to.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Thank you very much. That concludes our consideration of the order. I thank the minister and his officials.

That concludes the public part of our proceedings. The committee will now move into private session to consider its final agenda items.

12:17 Meeting continued in private until 12:37.  

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Yes, but what I am saying is that, with regard to Dundee university, you said—ministers said—that they could not direct that money. I accept that this is slightly different, but in that case, money was going from the Government to the SFC, but you could not direct the SFC to spend it, because of ONS classification. In this case, you are putting money towards the SFC, and you are saying that you can direct it. I understand that there is a difference between the money going to universities and the money going to apprenticeships, but a theme that I have noticed is that ministers will often say, “We are not going to direct this or that body.” Should there be something in this legislation that specifically does direct the body in this respect, and should that money be ring fenced?